So, can we just ban damage meters already.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Treat new players however you want. I didn't think I'd be changing anyone's mind here; I'm just of the opinion that this community is terrible. This conversation is just reaffirming that with a lot of your terrible attitudes towards new players. This is the kind of petty, stupid crap I'm talking about. But go ahead, be a tryhard calling out new players unnecessarily in story content. It's super impressive.

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I'm sure another community will welcome your minimal effort attitude.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I don't understand this logic. It's an MMO - what did you expect when you joined it? If the bar is set so low that it's at the bottom of the deepest trench and you still can't do it. Then maybe the game honestly isn't for you? I'm not trying to sound harsh or mean, but I literally do not understand this.

I find that if you sign up for the duty finder then you agree that you have some sort of basic knowledge and know-how to be able to do the most basic of things in this game. If you can't do that then why sign up for the duty? I couldn't do that, I'd be too embarrassed and ashamed if I was like that - I'm still like this today. I don't understand how people can be fine and actually complain when people complain about them doing below the minimum that is expected of them.

Finally, it's not 'new players' - you can't hide behind that. I've found plenty of new players who've taken to the game like fish and water. It's a difference in mindset. Some improve and strive for improvement. Some are fine being below mediocre and make no attempt to go beyond that.

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You have tooltips that tell you what to press and when you're given guides and information from the square which tell you the most basic of information on your rotation. There is a 'training' area which gives you gear and the likes that tells you the basic mechanics and the likes of the game. You can see every single attack coming your way, you know where the AoE is going to hit. You can see the cast bars. You have dummies to hit and practise your rotation. Your hotbars light up when you start a combo and direct you to what you can press next. The list goes on and on.

And you don't get to edit on how it's now about 'low story' content, you don't get to move the goal posts like that. I've barely seen any newbie die in low story content because the bar is so low. The only thing I've ever seen someone die is during titan because you can be thrown off. And this one time the dps were asleep during titan nails - and they weren't even new.

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So, the content is so easy that you can clear it easily even if someone in the group sucks. Do you A) just let the new person have fun, or B) lecture him regardless of whether or not he wants a lecture?

It's a game and the content is trivial. He's not effecting your fun and you're getting a bonus for helping him. It's really not THAT hard to just not be a self-important jackass.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

So, the content is so easy that you can clear it easily even if someone in the group sucks. Do you A) just let the new person have fun, or B) lecture him regardless of whether or not he wants a lecture?

It's a game and the content is trivial. He's not effecting your fun and you're getting a bonus for helping him. It's really not THAT hard to just not be a self-important jackass.

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You say that, but you've never spent 2 hours wiping in 24 man raids because you get grouped up with a bunch of those people who never bothered to learn mechanics and expect the rest of the group to be able to carry them, or don't understand they are bad cuz people stopped trying to help because of attitudes like yours.

Agree OP. Stuff like this could be fine in a perfect world, but people just can't control themselves.

Just get rid of it all together.

It's a shame for the people who don't abuse it, but some people is ruining it for them.

I wish someone would just do the right thing and purge third party programs.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

So, the content is so easy that you can clear it easily even if someone in the group sucks. Do you A) just let the new person have fun, or B) lecture him regardless of whether or not he wants a lecture?

It's a game and the content is trivial. He's not effecting your fun and you're getting a bonus for helping him. It's really not THAT hard to just not be a self-important jackass.

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I tell him what he's doing incorrectly in the nicest way possible. 'Hey, eat the fruit on the second stack so you don't die.' - 'Hey, don't pull ahead of me, these guys hurt.' - 'Hey, just throw out some cures and we should be fine there.'
Most are fine with it. If they make a mistake they tend to go 'I'm sorry, I'm new!' or 'Sorry, it's been a while.' And then they listen to people in the group and improve as a player because now they know what to do.
If your argument is 'Hmph, I don't want to hear it.' Then guess what buddy, the person being polite to you and giving you advice isn't the one being the butt.

When someone ignores my help and continues to keep dying to the very thing that we keep explaining to them about, they're making the situation harder for me/team to carry them - then yeah, they're now effecting my fun and the fun of the others. It's really not THAT hard to not be a self-important jackass and listen. It's not fun to be ignored.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I tell him what he's doing incorrectly in the nicest way possible. 'Hey, eat the fruit on the second stack so you don't die.' - 'Hey, don't pull ahead of me, these guys hurt.' - 'Hey, just throw out some cures and we should be fine there.'
Most are fine with it. If they make a mistake they tend to go 'I'm sorry, I'm new!' And then they listen to people in the group and improve as a player because now they know what to do.
If your argument is 'Hmph, I don't want to hear it.' Then guess what buddy, the person being polite to you and giving you advice isn't the one being the butt.

When someone ignores my help and continues to keep dying and making the situation harder for me to carry them - then yeah, they're now effecting my fun. It's really not THAT hard to not be a self-important jackass and listen.

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You should be doing what I do. Let them die, and then don't raise them. They pull ahead of you? Let them tank for awhile, purposefully avoid hitting any of their adds - if it's a dps let them die, if it's the healer let them face tank IF you don't want to wipe let them tank it for a little while then pick it up, as a statement. They complain about not being raised? Continue to not raise them. Swiftcast is an important CD that could be better spent on a glare. :)

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I tell him what he's doing incorrectly in the nicest way possible. 'Hey, eat the fruit on the second stack so you don't die.' - 'Hey, don't pull ahead of me, these guys hurt.' - 'Hey, just throw out some cures and we should be fine there.'
Most are fine with it. If they make a mistake they tend to go 'I'm sorry, I'm new!' And then they listen to people in the group and improve as a player because now they know what to do.
If your argument is 'Hmph, I don't want to hear it.' Then guess what buddy, the person being polite to you and giving you advice isn't the one being the butt.

When someone ignores my help and continues to keep dying and making the situation harder for me to carry them - then yeah, they're now effecting my fun. It's really not THAT hard to not be a self-important jackass and listen.

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Nothing wrong with mentioning mechanics before a boss fight. So, what do you do if the new player still screws it up and dies. How important is it that he realizes he's bad to you, or do you just skip all that and kick him?

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Originally Posted by Skogli

Agree OP. Stuff like this could be fine in a perfect world, but people just can't control themselves.

Just get rid of it all together.

It's a shame for the people who don't abuse it, but some people is ruining it for them.

I wish someone would just do the right thing and purge third party programs.

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Can we get rid of discord too then? It's a third party program. In fact, no outside voice communication is allowed, cuz that's toxic. And no more 3rd party websites either. Reddit is toxic too. Actually, just get rid of the chat box entirely, and hide people's names, cuz being able to talk in game causes toxicity.


It's a shame for all those who don't abuse these features, but some people ruined it for them.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You should be doing what I do. Let them die, and then don't raise them. They pull ahead of you? Let them tank for awhile, purposefully avoid hitting any of their adds - if it's a dps let them die, if it's the healer let them face tank IF you don't want to wipe let them tank it for a little while then pick it up, as a statement. They complain about not being raised? Continue to not raise them. Swiftcast is an important CD that could be better spent on a glare. :)

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I wish I could do this, but I'm a soft heart in dungeons. If they don't listen and continue to not listen I will kick them out though. It takes a lot for me to do that. I'm talking about the player is being straight-up unpleasant and just not listening to a single thing and then getting overly aggressive when told on how to avoid the said situation in the future.

This is why I don't wear the BK crown anymore.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Nothing wrong with mentioning mechanics before a boss fight. So, what do you do if the new player still screws it up and dies. How important is it that he realizes he's bad to you, or do you just skip all that and kick him?

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Doesn't matter, you're mentioning low-level dungeons which means low-level trials. Most for which can be carried. I'll just explain it to you when you're dead. Or if we wipe. Most listen. But there's always the one who doesn't get it. I will just blacklist them if they're being overly unpleasant. It's the higher-end content where this becomes an issue, this is where you get kicked.

Ya know, it just dawned on me... I had kicked a healer a few days ago from group, since called them out for walking in circles and dying all the time. Just noticed OP is in the same data center as me, wonder if my kicking them led to this thread lol.