Please no more Eureka!

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Yup, exactly like 2.0 and 3.0, meaning they didn't adress the problem at all. Not like you can get usefull tomestone out of 2.0/3.0 roulettes without needing a whole instances to provide help for it or you can do them all alone for the glamour/pet/mount/whatever they loot. Gonna be fun soloing Eureka in 5.0.

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They did address it, they developed an entire new content for relic with 4 zones, tons of new NM's and endgame dungeon and so on. Sorry but this is miles above running the some old standard content for tomestones ad nauseum because that sure was a ton of fun.

Relative to soloing Eureka we'll have to wait and see but let me just say I'm not willing to trust your crystal ball as to how the content will be adjusted for non prime time playing when Shadowbringers hits. Then again those with crystal balls predicted that Anemos would be dead in a month here on this forum and that sure didn't happen. The relic sages here on this forum have been poo poo'ing relic for as long as I can remember.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Its not that Eureka shouldn't exist, its about how much it take just for a very low part of the playerbase, how much reward are hidden in it to bait people who don't like it at all in it.

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Got to love the Bait people brigade with the rewards in content forcing people to do it. That could be said of ANY CONTENT. All content has rewards and this idea they are put in Eureka to bait people is ridiculous. They need to remove rewards then from Savage, Extreme Primals, 24 man raids, HoH, POTD and so on.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Its not that Eureka shouldn't exist, its about how much it take just for a very low part of the playerbase, how much reward are hidden in it to bait people who don't like it at all in it.

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"You" (As in, the people that blame Eureka for what was removed) lost a grand total of 3 dungeons, content that no ones specifially cares because they offer no specific rewards, and people simply run their roulette every day and end in whatever dungeon that game put them into. And like it was said numerous, remove mounts, glamour, orchestion rolls, mascot from every content, and everything would be dead in a mere months.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Of course I despise it, mainly because I have no other choice than doing it for my relic than anything else.

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Doing the relic is also your choice. SE has provided every gear people needed to run any content. The rest is on you.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Plus, if the way the game work since 2.0 bother you so much why are you even subscribing, dungeon and primal are like the main part of the game of course the game will make you farm them a lot. Its like complaining about having to look for weapon and asking dev's to provide NpC that give mini quest you have do to to win the game.

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Sorry, which one of us is the one complaining that not every single piece of content the game catters to their view ? And to answer your question, I'm still there specifically because they realised they should create something else than "straight lines with three bosses and trash between" or "bosses in a circle room".

I'd agree if the relic was an active part of the content and not a bonus you get while doing it. The weapon isn't mention once in the whole story, having it don't change anything and you can do the whole Eureka storyline without talking to Gerolt more than once per starting quest.

Eureka isn't at all about the relic, its in here just because otherwise only the minority of people liking the content would do it, providing almost no data for their weird experiment.

Having reward is ok, but then why don't we get it once we finish then, finishing those quest give no reward at all not even elemental exp, unlike dungeon were you automaticaly get something in the end, be it tomes or exp + the opportunity to roll for gear every chest. Unlike Eureka where you have to give your soul to an endlessly low rng fest and stay hours and hours in it without any certitude you'll ever get it.

I don't complaign about PvP even if I hate it, I'm annoyed by those haircut locked in it sure but, they are easy to get, I don't need to win and I'm 100% sure to get them if I wanted. I don't need PvP for anything else, PvP won't give me any usefull weapon for raiding/doing anything else the game provide. Unlike Eureka, locking those haircuts behind very low RNG and locking the 100% BiS weapon we normaly get by playing casualy.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

I don't complaign about PvP even if I hate it, I'm annoyed by those haircut locked in it sure but, they are easy to get, I don't need to win and I'm 100% sure to get them if I wanted. I don't need PvP for anything else, PvP won't give me any usefull weapon for raiding/doing anything else the game provide. Unlike Eureka, locking those haircuts behind very low RNG

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Except that again, you can buy those haircuts on the MB without ever stepping foot into Eureka, along with 2 mounts, several orchestrion rolls, glamours, furniture and minions. How exactly are people being "forced" into doing Eureka if they don't like it?

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Originally Posted by Nariel

I'd agree if the relic was an active part of the content and not a bonus you get while doing it.

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The relc being a bonus means you have even less reason to coerce yourself into doing it. It's not like you will miss an important part of the Lore if you skip it entirely. And past relics were not more tied to their "content" than this one, as the quest were basically "Go do things you already do and your weapon will like it".

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Eureka isn't at all about the relic, its in here just because otherwise only the minority of people liking the content would do it, providing almost no data for their weird experiment.

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Like every other piece of content. Or you have a Lore explanation on the gear you find in Omega ? How it's tied to the whole "story" of Omega. Or why each EX Primal happens to carry a dog whistle around and that gathering all those whistles (From creatures that sometimes have no connection whatsoever to each other) actually allows you to summon a nine-tailed fox ? Come on, the final ARR Primal mount has more connection with the Four Lords than the mounts you get after beating their EX version.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

I don't need PvP for anything else, PvP won't give me any usefull weapon for raiding/doing anything else the game provide.

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You don't need Eureka for anything else. The Eureka weapon was behind other weapons available faster for the whole SB lifecycle, except Hydatos, released 4 months after the last Savage tier, meaning if you were ever seriously interested in it, you'd have cleared it already. Which is frankly funny considering how much people actually complained because Eureka gear was weak...which begs even more the question of why did they bother doing it if they didn't like Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

The same thing can be said about Anima relics. Obtaining the minion doesn't necessarily mean you got the final Lux version, since it's one of the prerequisite quests to start the quest "Best Friends Forever" that will get you the Lux version. Someone might only want the minion, so they stopped after getting it. We can't tell how many got their final relic in that case. Maybe a lot just did it for minion, maybe not.

But anyhow, We can still use the numbers as a definite mean of determining how many players reached a milestone in each content. And since the number of those who went through all the way to the minion stage of the Anima is still that low compared to Eureka after all these years, then I highly question those who say the previous relic quest style was more successful.

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Of course we cant use the numbers to say who finished the relic after they got the minion either but at least we know that those numbers are purely relic ones. (Yes people could have done it only for the minion too but they still needed to finish the relic steps before that to get there, while you dont have to finish a relic to level up and go to other eurekas) So at least those amount of people have gotten that far in their relic. Eureka numbers dont tell us much in that regards thus cant be really compared so no I dont think we just should use them for determinig some milestones.

In the end Eureka was also not only something for the relic but a new casual content that was advertised quite a bit before SB. Yet the numbers speak more of a niche content and not of something widely successfull. Thus why someone posted these numbers in the thread in the first place before you used them to compare relics. Its an indicator if we really should get more Eureka content in 5.0 especially if they still put that much work behind it.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

In the end Eureka was also not only something for the relic but a new casual content that was advertised quite a bit before SB. Yet the numbers speak more of a niche content and not of something widely successfull. Thus why someone posted these numbers in the thread in the first place before you used them to compare relics. Its an indicator if we really should get more Eureka content in 5.0 especially if they still put that much work behind it.

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Why would you not use them to compare relics? And relative to the old relics any numbers for those today would be seriously inflated after they dumbed down the process making them essentially giveaways compared to when those relics first released let alone the amount of time people have had to actually work on those.

Relative to 5.0 I would hope we get more than just a recycled Eureka Stormblood. I suppose we'll actually have to wait and see what they have in mind before condemning and making judgements about what is to come.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Why would you not use them to compare relics? And relative to the old relics any numbers for those today would be seriously inflated after they dumbed down the process making them essentially giveaways compared to when relic first released let alone the amount of time people had to actually work on those.

Relative to 5.0 I would hope we get more than just a recycled Eureka Stormblood. I suppose we'll actually have to wait and see what they have in mind before condemning and making judgements about what is to come.

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Because there is a huge amount of other reasons people reached level cap in Pyros. You dont need the relic to get there thus using it to compare it to something else is not correct. Someone could simply play Eureka for the story, someone might just want to earn certain rewards and in farming for them they could reach the cap. Some might just help out friends and have nothing else to do but dont want to grind for a relic. Some might simply be interested in doing the first public dungeon in this game and so on. There are so many reasons why someone could reach lvl cap, especially since reaching level cap is already way faster than getting your relic in the newer zones. So we simply dont know how many of those also have the relic. It could be nearly all of them, it could be half of them. Thus it would be bad (imo) to compare those numbers because they could paint the wrong picture.

If we would have gotten a title or minion or something for getting the relic in one of the steps in Eurkea and they have those numbers, then its fine to compare it. But right now? There is no indicator on how many of those have one and how many of those are simply in there for different rewards.

For us I believe its much more important to know if the content is truly beloved and successfull with the playerbase (and the numbers speak for a more niche content) thus if any further investment from the devs is good or not.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Yes, because it is a niche content. I've put the quote in my signature, I'm tired of searching it everytime.
And no "But is has mount and haircuts, and it cost ressources" are not proof that it'a wide audience content.

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If they truly wanted this to be only for a niche anyway, why take such a huge amount of time and who knows how much budget to create this? Why put so much behind it including the relic without giving us another option to get it? Why does that have hairstyles and emotes, while other niche content like the Ultimates have barely any rewards? Where is the content for the rest of the casual playerbase that makes up most of the games numbers? (And yes I mean complete new content, not the next ex primae) The only thing that can be done a bit more casually is HoH and even that only had 30 floors to the casuals..so where is it? Why would they create more and more niche content that costs much money and time when most of the playerbase wont play it? Or could it be that Eureka was intended to be that, especially with the relic weapon behind it and somehow turned out different?

In the end if they introduce this again in 5.x they really need to have something else for the casual players too.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

If we would have gotten a title or minion or something for getting the relic in one of the steps in Eurkea and they have those numbers, then its fine to compare it. But right now? There is no indicator on how many of those have one and how many of those are simply in there for different rewards

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So stop poo pooing the process then cause you really don't know and people can try and push their interpretation of those numbers to suit their agenda but you're kidding yourself if you think many are doing it for the supplemental rewards and not the relic itself. And this process isn't anymore niche than the last relic.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

In the end Eureka was also not only something for the relic but a new casual content that was advertised quite a bit before SB. Yet the numbers speak more of a niche content and not of something widely successfull.

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Yes, because it is a niche content.
And no, "But is has mounts and haircuts, and it cost ressources" are not proof that it's wide audience content.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Because there is a huge amount of other reasons people reached level cap in Pyros. [...] There are so many reasons why someone could reach lvl cap, especially since reaching level cap is already way faster than getting your relic in the newer zones.

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I'm confused. Didn't people complain that Eureka had nothing to offer apart from the weapon ? Or are still complaining that leveling is so slow that it's unbearable to reach Hydatos ?