Please scale the difficulty of Royal Menagerie

Go to Party Finder. Start one for Royal Menagerie. Let people know you need help clearing. Watch it fill up.

Seriously. You will get a party mostly or completely full of vets.

I helped clear someone last month who is a 90 year old player with twitch reflex issues. During his clear, one of the dps dc'd and remained that way for most of the fight. We still cleared it just fine.

The beauty of these trials is, after the first wave of competent players clear it, we're well overgeared to help clear it afterward, in 330-340 ilevel gear. There is usually only one bonus.

Will you maybe feel bad if you spend most of the fight dead and we carry you? Yeah, but you'll do better next time.

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Originally Posted by Narcotics

They wanna be able to ignore difficult mechanics

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So they should be set then, considering Royal Menagerie has no difficult mechanics? :D

Honestly, I don't think there is a way to reasonably nerf Royal Menagerie that will make the people requesting a nerf happy. Adding Echo doesn't change the fact that you will still have to move on occasion.

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Originally Posted by missybee

So they should be set then, considering Royal Menagerie has no difficult mechanics? :D

Honestly, I don't think there is a way to reasonably nerf Royal Menagerie that will make the people requesting a nerf happy. Adding Echo doesn't change the fact that you will still have to move on occasion.

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How about text messages in the middle of the screen, that explain what to do? With audio for those who can't read.

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Originally Posted by Felis

How about text messages in the middle of the screen, that explain what to do? With audio for those who can't read.

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HIT 'Q' NOW! *Air horn noises*

Being less ridiculous though, were add-ons allowed, I could see something like WoW's Deadly Boss Mods being helpful.

I have mixed feelings about that though...and bringing addons up may have opened Pandora's Box.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Then he can still redo all lv 17-69 dungeons to relearn the mechanics (ok, maybe all lv 30-69 dungeons).
There is no new mechanic in this fight, and no DPS check that demand a perfect rotation.

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Did you read my post at all? I wasn't defending bads. I was saying to the one person saying find friends or an FC to help them. which not everyone HAS. It has nothing to do with bads being lazy with my post and the person I was replying too. And everything to do with not being able to get people to join them to DO said dungeon to clear. Redoing old dungeons will not fix the problem I was addressing. :/ I also wasn't saying nerf it either just to be clear. Only thing I said in tythat context is I can see why. Why you ask? Cause people have this thing with instantly leaving the fight after one wipe. I'm not saying everyone deos it.. but enough people I've seen done it or flat out leave at the start forcing ther others to leave and reque. Having this happen to myself a few times. That que time can be anywhere from 4 mins to a freaking hour. So yes I can see why people are upset, and tellign those people to redo old dungeons does nothign to solve the problem. Now on to thepeople who don't want to learn... THAT is a completely different story. But I wasn't addressing them. I was only addressing a small issue I've seen a few times and providing that defense.

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Originally Posted by sonicadventures

Did you read my post at all? I wasn't defending bads. I was saying to the one person saying find friends or an FC to help them. which not everyone HAS. It has nothing to do with bads being lazy with my post and the person I was replying too. And everything to do with not being able to get people to join them to DO said dungeon to clear. Redoing old dungeons will not fix the problem I was addressing. :/

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If he don't have anyone to help him he have to help himself. And that mean relearning those mechanics again, which is best with doing dungeons with those mechanics (example, Vault to learn what to do with chains that link 2 people). And for getting the people exist the roulettes (24 man roulette is coming soon, too).
He queue for Vault and get people who queue with the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Felis

If he don't have anyone to help him he have to help himself. And that mean relearning those mechanics again, which is best with doing dungeons with those mechanics (example, Vault to learn what to do with chains that link 2 people). And for getting the people exist the roulettes (24 man roulette is coming soon, too)

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We're talking about 2 completely different people. You're talking about simply bad people. I'm talking about people who can't do the fight not because of skill, but because of not having the people to go with them to do it. And I'm ojnly bringing this up cause everyone loves to say " find friends or FC" And my reply to that is " what if they don't have any? Or the people who they DO have don't want to do the fight." What is THAT person supposed to do? That's what I'm asking.

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Originally Posted by sonicadventures

We're talking about 2 completely different people. You're talking about simply bad people. I'm talking about people who can't do the fight not because of skill, but because of not having the people to go with them to do it. And I'm ojnly bringing this up cause everyone loves to say " find friends or FC" And my reply to that is " what if they don't have any? Or the people who they DO have don't want to do the fight." What is THAT person supposed to do? That's what I'm asking.

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List themselves in the party finder, recruit 7 other people and complete it. Or alternatively, queue up and hope you get 7 other competent people.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

List themselves in the party finder, recruit 7 other people and complete it. Or alternatively, queue up and hope you get 7 other competent people.

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Well yeah. There's always the party finder. All I was trying to say is the whole " find friends" isn't as easy as it seems for some people. Hell my example wasn't RM but the old 24 mans. I still can't get people to help me with Dun, no friends or PF has helped yet. but that's a different issue but is the reason I even said anything to begin with. But no I dont' agree with nerfing the fight. I can just see why some would.. mainly for the reason I mentioned above.

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Originally Posted by sonicadventures

Well yeah. There's always the part finder. Hell I used it to get my clear of RM. Hopefully he or who has better luck then I do in PF tho I was loking for 24 mans and that is harder to get people for in general. Which is why I even said anything to people saying " find friends" Cause that isn't always the answer if you don't have any. But I'm barking at the wrong tree cause what I'm trying to defend doesn't work i nthis context due to the fact OP wants this nerfed. Which I don't agree with. I just got caught up in the mess cause " find friends" isn't always an easy thing to do, yet peopel throw it around like it is. Maybe for most but not all.

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If people can't find friends to do it, then that's exactly what the Party Finder feature is there for. Don't know anyone? All good, just list yourself and get 7 people to help. Who knows, maybe friendships will be forged. Chances are if there's bonus tomes involved, people with experience will flock to it, so there's that as well.