This patch dropped the ball hard

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Originally Posted by Reneo

The raiders that do the hardest content in the game deserve the best gear and so do people who devote alot of time in this game. But the price for doing time is capped.

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It's not that they don't deserve unique rewards, it's just that their rewards are letting them get access to stuff earlier or do the new content more efficiently than everyone else simply because they have a challenge driven mind set due to superior iLvL.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

It's not that they don't deserve unique rewards, it's just that their rewards are letting them get access to stuff earlier or do the new content more efficiently than everyone else simply because they have a challenge driven mind set due to superior iLvL.

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And? THEY DESERVE THAT! Get a static and be on that tier. its NOT hard. there are literally HUNDREDS of Free Companies and Linkshells Dedicated to this stuff.

Also. You gearing ESO allows you to do Savage easy which IS the highest tier. Sure when 3.2 drops and the next tier arrives they will hop right in with little issue and you require a little bit of work to continue, But thats the nature of the game, They put in the extra effort and they are rewarded. People who don't shouldn't its that simple.

Most the people not complaining about todays patch have no idea what we are talking about, yet blindly defend SE anyway.

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Originally Posted by ZemusM

I understand what your saying but at the sametime one of the most requested featres by the players was gear that looked more specific at the high end to the class you were playing. They gave us that and now we complain about it.

No matter what a dev does to appease its fans, they will always turn it around on them and they will never be happy. All SE needs to do is look at the revenue that the game brings in. If it dips changes need to be made, if they don't. stay the course and right now they have control until players stop subbing and they arn't

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People aren't complaining about job specific gear... if anything people would like to see more of it. You're really missing the point.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

People aren't complaining about job specific gear... if anything people would like to see more of it. You're really missing the point.

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Im not missing the point. Your complaining that earning tomestones should be faster. Im telling you it CANT BE or people will gear and unsub and the game will fail. We ASKED for class unique gear and we got it. We made this and now were complaining. No matter what SE does they can't win.

If you dont like it UNSUB to prove your point. But you wont

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Originally Posted by ZemusM

While I agree that the tomestone cap should be increased to 500 or 600, you can't go faster than that. It needs to take a good 2 months+ to gear 1 job otherwise people will get bored who play 1 Job (Like Myself) and stop subbing.

You and I are playing totally different games and you'll just never be happy with this genre.

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Then you aren't a real fan of the game and what you do is pretty much immaterial to me. I've been playing MMOs for years - many years before WoW style MMOs were the rage and weekly lockouts were a thing.

There's no reason to punish your biggest users because of people who get bored because they only play a tiny fraction of the games content.

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Originally Posted by ZemusM

Im not missing the point. Your complaining that earning tomestones should be faster. Im telling you it CANT BE or people will gear and unsub and the game will fail. We ASKED for class unique gear and we got it. We made this and now were complaining. No matter what SE does they can't win.

If you dont like it UNSUB to prove your point. But you wont

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Actually that's not what I've said at all. My recommendations were to implement a per job esoterics cap (aka it takes the same amount of time to gear a job, you just don't have to wait 3 months to do your second one or to make it an incredibly grindy process - like triple the cost and give 1/3rd as many tomes as rewards).

For the billionth time people are not complaining about job specific gear - it's incredibly popular. Only being able to gear one job in an entire patch cycle is what is not popular.

I wouldn't unsub because the game has plenty of content and I'm a person who likes to do it all. I'm not a fairweather fan like you apparently who is waiting for any excuse to unsub from the game.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Most the people not complaining about todays patch have no idea what we are talking about, yet blindly defend SE anyway.

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Why complain this patch actually fixed some much needed things especially in regards to HW fates.

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Originally Posted by ckc22

For the billionth time people are not complaining about job specific gear - it's incredibly popular. Only being able to gear one job in an entire patch cycle is what is not popular.

I wouldn't unsub because the game has plenty of content and I'm a person who likes to do it all. I'm not a fairweather fan like you apparently who is waiting for any excuse to unsub from the game.

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I have also been playing this genre since 1999 with Everquest which is one of if not the MOST grindy Mainstream MMO ever. I know what its like and I am a fan of XIV but I also know business because I am a small business owner. Im telling you they cannot do that because it doesn't make any business sense.

That would allow people to gear too quickly and max out every job in 3 months with time put in. which means your not subbing 6 months of the year......Not smart business.

I get it, people play multiple classes, This change is big not having shared tier gear with types and if people vote with their wallet it will be changed, Most people play 1 class and other games at the same time. While I agree 100% the tomestone CAP needs an increase to compensate the new changes 600 would be ideal. Your system will effect the overall revenue which isn't viable.

There are things im not a fan of in this game, but how SE runs gear progression isn't one of those things because its smart business. Every other big name MMO that has failed in the last 10 years outside of WoW WISHES they did what SE does with XIV. Hearing companies like Bioware tell me to make an alt instead of playing my main because there were no raids and what was there was broken at release was idiotic. Sure they fixed EV and added half of the next one and eventually the full thing but at that point it was months in you were sitting there waiting. Awful business. The MONEY in a Sub Based MMO is all in High End Content to keep people grinding and playing. XIV is the only one that has done it RIGHT in a decade. Don't try and pull off to me that it isn't. The evidence is in the dozens of failed now F2P MMO's out there.

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

I must be the only one pretty upset because they introduced 'AF2' behind a cap that will take months to get.
I didn't expect this at all. I main AST/PLD/BLM and I have gear them all separate which will take like what? 9 months?
So much for 1 character for all.

Oh well, I guess one of the best looking gears in this game has to be locked behind a 3 month a job run.

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You know, SE could have named these gear different and you wouldn't be complaining. Actually, we, the players, are the ones who are labeling these gear as "AF2". You're giving more importance to these gear for arbitrary reasons, when these gear isn't different than the Evenstar gear when the Soldiery Tomes came up, or the Ironworks gear when the poetics tomes came up.

Yes, it will take months to get the sets you (and me) want, but that happened before.

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Originally Posted by ZemusM

Hearing companies like Bioware tell me to make an alt instead of playing my main because there were no raids and what was there was broken at release was idiotic

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HW hasn't even been out a month yet and I am pretty f'n bored and am leveling alts and jobs.