In-Game Parser.

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Originally Posted by QiLymePye

See, this is you taking it to the extreme, because in your example, you are not playing the game. and on top of that , you are harassing the other players in doing what you are giving an example of. Stop being a dick.

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It is me taking it to the extreme, because the justification of "you don't pay anyone's bill" is no justification at all. I may not be paying the bill of the person wiping us with low dps, but they aren't paying the bills of the 7 people whose time they're wasting. By the logic of people asking for no parsers, it's just fine for one person to waste the time of 7 others, but god forbid you ask them to step up their dps, because you don't pay their subscription.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

It is me taking it to the extreme, because the justification of "you don't pay anyone's bill" is no justification at all. I may not be paying the bill of the person wiping us with low dps, but they aren't paying the bills of the 7 people whose time they're wasting. By the logic of people asking for no parsers, it's just fine for one person to waste the time of 7 others, but god forbid you ask them to step up their dps, because you don't pay their subscription.

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Preach woman, preach! D:

End-game raiding is one thing, let the 5%-10% do what they want. The main problem here is any content that can be Duty Finder'd, that's where the abuse is going to come from. If there is even the possibility of parsers being available when using DF, I will be 100% against it.

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Originally Posted by Nominous

Widespread availability doesn't somehow make people more toxic.

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That's exactly what happened with hunts when Coil drops were made available with logs - name calling, insult, death threats in shouts. It happened back when they were introduced and it happened again now with Carbontwine and Carboncoat. Toxicity spreads - you can bet that if people start requiring minimun DPS on PF and threat to pars them, it will be picked up by people who would have never though of it othwerise.

There are DPS checks in the game, if you fail them you wipe: that's your clue you need to improve, you don't really need anything else. Go back to the training dummy or talk to your party and come up with a new strategy/rotation, then give it another go and see if this time you can pass. Numbers aren't needed at all - even if there's only one person underperforming, it's still noticeable without knowing exactly how much less DPS he was doing compared to everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

That's exactly what happened with hunts when Coil drops were made available with logs - name calling, insult, death threats in shouts. It happened back when they were introduced and it happened again now with Carbontwine and Carboncoat. Toxicity spreads - you can bet that if people start requiring minimun DPS on PF and threat to pars them, it will be picked up by people who would have never though of it othwerise.

There are DPS checks in the game, if you fail them you wipe: that's your clue you need to improve, you don't really need anything else. Go back to the training dummy or talk to your party and come up with a new strategy/rotation, then give it another go and see if this time you can pass. Numbers aren't needed at all - even if there's only one person underperforming, it's still noticeable without knowing exactly how much less DPS he was doing compared to everyone else.

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I get the comparison. The idea is the same, but the situations are different. Introducing a parser into the game doesn't change the outcome largely, since a large part of the population either A) Has them, or B) Asks their friends to use it if they don't. If someone doesn't know about parsing, and they figure out about it, they likely will fall into one of those two categories. People who don't fall into those categories refuse to acknowledge it's benefits, don't want criticism (which is foolish, considering you can't stop that, even by lack of having a parser), aren't concerned with being better (and by that logic, should understand that they don't have to deal with end-game / the players, or that conversely, the end-game players don't have to deal with them), or a mixture of those. There's no reason to refute having more knowledge. I've said it before, it's not life-threatening for passing or failing content, but you're just limiting yourself needlessly by not having it, and possibly wasting other people's time.

Hunts are different in that it's simply crowded content. People are angry because there's something that's valuable, that's at their fingertips, and they feel denied the right to have that by other players. It brings out the toxicity that's already present, to an open field, where you can witch-hunt and pin blame on others to your hearts content.

Let me pose this question, too.

With parsers being so readily available to the PC audience, and being a huge presence in the game already, what's stopping people from doing that right now? Why haven't we seen these fears of yours come to fruition for upwards of a year and a half of 2.0? PF, in and of itself, is the idea of denying players access to your party based on discrimination. So why, with a system that so readily allows that, have we not seen people requiring a specific parse to show them to join? Hmm?

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

So, if I level a character in Cactuar, then follow you into as many dungeons as I can only to /afk /follow for the duration of the dungeon, you would shut your mouth and play your own damn game, because it's not your bill to make that choice for me? >_>

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What does that have to do with having a parser now you're just making up things.

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Originally Posted by Wizarus

End-game raiding is one thing, let the 5%-10% do what they want. The main problem here is any content that can be Duty Finder'd, that's where the abuse is going to come from. If there is even the possibility of parsers being available when using DF, I will be 100% against it.

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Parsers are 100% available in duty finder and has been since launch so GG

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

What does that have to do with having a parser now you're just making up things.

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They're pointing out the holes in your argument by offering an example using your logic. You can't invalidate someone else's opinions or thoughts just by saying, "You don't pay my bills." You pay a sub-fee, but so does everyone else that plays this game. Anyone could redirect that argument right back at you, which is precisely what Aria did.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

So what would you do then?[/HB]

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Nothing, I don't need programs to make myself better or my team in order to win a fight.

I just don't understand what you need parser for other than attacking others because they slow you down.

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Originally Posted by Deculture

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you: exhibit A.

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I do my job in fights, I was just giving you my opinion I don't need someone telling me my job when I know it.

Ive ran into people who've done this only to not dodge attacks, cure or do their own job and end up wiping everyone.

It is as I said shut up and play your own job.