Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Let me be the first to give you a shrug and say if he was away for more than 80 days, he'd already decided to quit. Not my problem.

If he wants to start playing again, he can start a new collection. Or not; not my problem.

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Yes, I believe apathy is dangerous in the sense that it doesn't help the game grow. Even if these things aren't your problem per se, they could be someday. I'm just a little baffled at the amount of people opposing to have a clearer message in-game, deploying several mental gymnastics to justify the current system and preserve the status quo.

I 100% believe in unrestricted “restore lost content”

I would, as well as many others would pay to have items/characters restored.

We can pay to jump characters but not restore lost ones? I can pay for past event items from the mog station but not lost items like the OP here?

It’s a service. And we would love to pay for it.

I feel the housing issue in FFXIV is a major problem. 1st, not enough houses for the population per server, 2nd auto deleting houses.

If I designed this game, those would be two things I'd do differently. I'd find a way to support enough houses for each account, I'd make Houses shared per account. (people with many alts would have the same 1 house. after all this game is not alt friendly anyway, and I think they have issues with server space from the way it's limited.

The shard zones for housing was a great idea, however the max limit of shards is silly.

This thread is absolutely boggling.

Why is it some grave sin to ask for better messaging? Not even about housing demolition, but freaking item reclamation after the fact? OP isn't even arguing that housing should be permanent or whatever, they just want SE to use the systems already in place to say "heads up that stuff you collected is gonna go poof soon". That should be a super basic part of the game at this point. It should have been included as part of the introduction of housing demolition in the first place since that's the only situation you ever have to worry about it. And yet some people are acting like OP is an entitled kid asking for a fleet of Ferraris for his 16th birthday or something. I don't get it at all.

"Well you didn't read up on every single fact about housing and foolishly expected the game to remind you like it does for other things if something bad was going to happen, shame on you, you didn't deserve it anyway" is such a senseless and antagonistic position to take here. There is no harm to your chances of getting a house if people get a pop up reminding them to collect their stuff after a demolition. You are not somehow more hardcore, more deserving, or superior to someone because you know how the system works and they didn't. The game doesn't ever ask a player to intimately know the ins and outs of the systems they take part in to enjoy them; this isn't a hostile game that caters to players who enjoy struggling for every gain they make. Housing should not be an exception to this rule! A single paragraph amongst a fire hose of information in the early game is not sufficient, I don't know why anyone thinks it is.

A simple "pick up your junk in x days or it's gone for good" message would only be a net benefit to the game. How is it possible to argue against it without bringing up false accusations of entitlement, privilege, or holier-than-thou finger waggling?

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

This thread is absolutely boggling.

Why is it some grave sin to ask for better messaging? Not even about housing demolition, but freaking item reclamation after the fact? OP isn't even arguing that housing should be permanent or whatever, they just want SE to use the systems already in place to say "heads up that stuff you collected is gonna go poof soon". That should be a super basic part of the game at this point. It should have been included as part of the introduction of housing demolition in the first place since that's the only situation you ever have to worry about it. And yet some people are acting like OP is an entitled kid asking for a fleet of Ferraris for his 16th birthday or something. I don't get it at all.

"Well you didn't read up on every single fact about housing and foolishly expected the game to remind you like it does for other things if something bad was going to happen, shame on you, you didn't deserve it anyway" is such a senseless and antagonistic position to take here. There is no harm to your chances of getting a house if people get a pop up reminding them to collect their stuff after a demolition. You are not somehow more hardcore, more deserving, or superior to someone because you know how the system works and they didn't. The game doesn't ever ask a player to intimately know the ins and outs of the systems they take part in to enjoy them; this isn't a hostile game that caters to players who enjoy struggling for every gain they make. Housing should not be an exception to this rule! A single paragraph amongst a fire hose of information in the early game is not sufficient, I don't know why anyone thinks it is.

A simple "pick up your junk in x days or it's gone for good" message would only be a net benefit to the game. How is it possible to argue against it without bringing up false accusations of entitlement, privilege, or holier-than-thou finger waggling?

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Thank you.

This antiquated system should go away.

They should make houses permanent and instanced and available for a fixed price. If people really want the status symbol of being in a neighborhood then let them fight over lots where your house will show up if you get one. If you don't visit it you lose your lot but your house just goes back to being instanced.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Why is it some grave sin to ask for better messaging? Not even about housing demolition, but freaking item reclamation after the fact?

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Because that's not the essence of this post at all. If it were, we would all support it.

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Originally Posted by rswfire

Because that's not the essence of this post at all. If it were, we would all support it.

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It's the essence of my post, spot on. It would seem that everyone's personal prejudices around the housing system and what they perceive as player entitlement are being dragged into the discussion, which can't be helped. But it is the essence of my post.

Soooo in anut shell, you’re quitting because SE can’t give you back 6years of you're life because you can’t take the time to read you’re emails?

And here my husband lost his 1.0 Character after 6-7 years and was like oo well I’ll just start over. He lost EVERTHING. SE can’t give back all of it, he got just the character back no item, gear, he’ll lost all his soul stones. But a true fav never give up.. just take some time off and start over/come back.

I have to say, for a thread where one of the main criticisms levelled against me is that I haven't done enough reading, there's a remarkable lack of reading being done before replying. I appreciate we're now at 25 pages, but that should be a small order for those proclaiming to have read every Lodestone article and patch note since the dawn of time. </hyperbole>

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Originally Posted by Hazuki87

Soooo in anut shell, you’re quitting because SE can’t give you back 6years of you're life because you can’t take the time to read you’re emails?

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As repeatedly covered, I received no emails. A GM went through all the usual culprits with me, but as I had been recieving all other notifications (subsription renewal notification emails, promotional emails, etc), we couldn't understand why not. And a GM replied here in this very thread, acknowledging that they cannot guarantee emails are actually delivered - only sent - because of mitigating factors that might come into play before they even reach me.

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Originally Posted by Soraki-Muppe

No, what I don't get is how some content that OP ignored for more then 80 days made him quit. Clearly this was not a part of the game that the OP cared about, if OP did then this would not happened. If it was the straw that broke the camels back I would understand it, but as the sole reason? No way.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Let me be the first to give you a shrug and say if he was away for more than 80 days, he'd already decided to quit.

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I have not decided to leave the game because my house was demolished. I did not ignore the content, and I did care about it. Due to significant real life circumstances that massively limited the amount of time I could play, I had to prioritise what I did when I logged in. Housing didn't make that list not because I didn't care about it, but because I didn't realise I needed to enter the estate every X days, and so I mistakenly believed that enjoying estate content was something that could be picked up again - along with the vast majority of the game - when my real life had changed for the better.

As mentioned time and time again, by myself and other posters who've understood what I said, the reason is the loss of my furnishings collection. And so:

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Originally Posted by van_arn

If he wants to start playing again, he can start a new collection.

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The reason that the loss of my furnishings collection is enough to impact my motivation to continue playing is that a lot of it is not available anymore.


Quite why it's necessary to repeatedly say "not my problem", as though anyone for a second even suggested that it was, is beyond me. I guess it just adds to the maverick, devil-may-care forum-warrior persona?