Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

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Originally Posted by Arutan

For god sake please stop with such garbage answer. With that logic, just say "No need to play StormBlood there will be the 5.0 with other content, better gear and new mount/minion!".

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Nice try there Arutan. Comparing story/lore progression to this issue does nothing to support your logic. It really doesn't even make sense considering MSQ is always locked behind whatever MSQ comes before it.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

No. No you can't. Given the DPS increase on the i280s, it's almost as good as the i275 without substats at all. Then, given the i280s get about 100 more substat points then the i275s, even with a random shotgun approach almost every i280 is still going to be better then an anima, even with customized stats.

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Why are you so upset that there's different ways to gear up? More options is always good no matter what.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

I'm not comparing lore nore msq, just content, gear and everything to keep people busy. Since it seems that it's all about content.
Why complain about something now when it will later be replaced with something else and/or better? <- that's people currently logic. Follow it and you just don't play at all.

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OR you play the game because you enjoy growing stronger and stronger and getting better and better gear? Not to mention the story, lore, all the content... That's an option too, right?

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Originally Posted by LuckiGoLucki

Nice try there Arutan. Comparing story/lore progression to this issue does nothing to support your logic. It really doesn't even make sense considering MSQ is always locked behind whatever MSQ comes before it.

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I'm not comparing lore nore msq, just content, gear and everything to keep people busy. Since it seems that it's all about content.
Why complain about something now when it will later be replaced with something else and/or better? <- that's people currently logic. Follow it and you just don't play at all.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Why are you so upset that there's different ways to gear up? More options is always good no matter what.

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I already answered that multiple times. And no, there are not different ways to get a BiS weapon. There is one. Anima and raid weapons are now second best. Only way to get to BiS is start praying to the almighty RNGesus. Anyone, such as me, that made an anima so they would have BiS from completion to SB got screwed.

Had the Diadem weapons been i275 or less, I would have been fine. RNG joining skill and time as ways to get BiS.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

Your blowing this out of proportion and are being paranoid. the 280 weapon is bait on a hook, and no glamors nor anything that's not advancing your progression in some way weather that's better gear than what you have now or something that can make you a lot of money will keep people doing the content those people have already farmed it to hell and back and are prob never gonna touch it again will cause people to do this content. its balanced and weaker than the relic overall by basically being another version of mega catpot you need to win the lottery. while everything to get the relic is non rng reliant and its know exactly what you need the only two rng elements to the relic the first was nerfed and can be done in hour or so and the other doesn't stop you from progressing it it just might save you an umbrite or three at the end of that long grind you are rewarded with one of the best weapons in the game currently and might be better and in most cases is better than the raid alternative.

In short the raid weapon and relic are practical to obtain you do the thing you get the item in terms of balance they are stronger and considering you have less than 100 days to win that lottery and the fact that most people will just burn out on the content the weapon effectively doesn't exist and just serves as bait to get people to bite on the overall package of the content

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Most of what you said is similar to, if not supportive of my own statements. And it's hardly blowing things out of proportion when we've already seen them do, and REDO things the community didn't like before, like Atma, or literally rehashing the Diadem and fixing none of the problems it originally had. With that in mind, simply rolling over and accepting it now (even if by way of NOT speaking up about it) only makes it easier for SE to perhaps do it again later. THIS is what many people in this thread are concerned and taking action on, whether by calling SE out on it, or taking more extreme measures and unsubbing. I'm not saying you have to unsub to be heard, but I am saying if you blind yourself to the terrible possibility here, there'll be little room to complain later if/when it happens again, in a more impactful way.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

so they would have BiS from completion to SB got screwed.

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This is a very specific thing to be unhappy about, also not a good thing to be unhappy about, because it's right before an expansion where both weapons will be nulled, I honestly just cannot get behind the mindset of the i280 being put on a pedestal when really, it only affects everything prior to 4.0.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

This is a very specific thing to be unhappy about, also not a good thing to be unhappy about, because it's right before an expansion where both weapons will be nulled, I honestly just cannot get behind the mindset of the i280 being put on a pedestal when really, it only affects everything prior to 4.0.

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It's still months before. And whether you agree with it or not, it was a perfectly valid reason to make one, given the relic weapons were BiS from completion until HW. We were given no indication whatsoever that the anima wouldn't follow suit, and no warning these i280s would drop nine days after the anima was complete. You may not share or agree with that motivation, but you should at least respect it.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

It's still months before. And whether you agree with it or not, it was a perfectly valid reason to make one, given the relic weapons were BiS from completion until HW. We were given no indication whatsoever that the anima wouldn't follow suit, and no warning these i280s would drop nine days after the anima was complete. You may not share or agree with that motivation, but you should at least respect it.

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I don't see why your weapon being 5 item levels below what is now the max is a big deal unless you are raiding actively. No content outside of EX Primals and Savage requires a weapon like i280. If you're unhappy that there is an i280 and you can't get it besides RNG, that's fine, you can have that opinion, I just don't share it and don't see it as valid. I do, however, think that you do not have the right to tell me that I can't have an opinion on how specific and petty your opinion is just because for 3 months, your weapon isn't the best. It's just being a child at this point.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I don't see why your weapon being 5 item levels below what is now the max is a big deal unless you are raiding actively. No content outside of EX Primals and Savage requires a weapon like i280. If you're unhappy that there is an i280 and you can't get it besides RNG, that's fine, you can have that opinion, I just don't share it and don't see it as valid. I do, however, think that you do not have the right to tell me that I can't have an opinion on how specific and petty your opinion is just because for 3 months, your weapon isn't the best. It's just being a child at this point.

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If the sole reason someone put all the time, gil and effort into an anima was to have BiS from completion to expansion, then having it not be so after just nine days renders all of that time, gil and effort wasted. I could just as easily be in the "good enough" weapon catagory with a Shire or Zurvan weapon that would be 1000x easier to get.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

If the sole reason someone put all the time, gil and effort into an anima was to have BiS from completion to expansion, then having it not be so after just nine days renders all of that time, gil and effort wasted. I could just as easily be in the "good enough" weapon catagory with a Shire or Zurvan weapon that would be 1000x easier to get.

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Only wasted if you perceive it to be wasted. Also, an i280 won't always be BiS. I'm done.