But...I...I don't wanna DPS, I'm a healer...

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Originally Posted by DarkerOrange

No, no there really isn't, especially if you are a SCH. Eos can solo heal almost anything sub 50 (with 40+ requiring a few heals from you every now and then). Hell, even savage has alot of time for both healers to be in cleric stance.

Ofcourse you are welcome to overheal or sit on your arse doing nothing, but please don't try and pull this 'special snowflake' rubbish. You are not playing as well as you could be, end of.

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+1

Even as a WHM and AST i find myself DPSing more than healing... Healing potency is so OTT in this game that actually needing to spam heal is rare, especially when you couple it with mitigation :p

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Originally Posted by Archaell

Here is the thing. Every cleric stance CD puts you in a vulnerable position. During this time situations can happen that lead to failing your main priority - healing.

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This should only happen if you are unfamiliar/lacking experience with the duty. Obviously, you shouldn't be going into Cleric's Stance when a big, potentially tank destroying attack is coming within a few seconds. It's a matter of knowing or doing it often enough that it becomes muscle memory. But that all takes (a lot) more effort and maybe that is the "scary" aspect about it? :P
But this is a form of effort all jobs have to perform for harder content

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Originally Posted by DarkerOrange

No, no there really isn't, especially if you are a SCH. Eos can solo heal almost anything sub 50 (with 40+ requiring a few heals from you every now and then). Hell, even savage has alot of time for both healers to be in cleric stance.

Ofcourse you are welcome to overheal or sit on your arse doing nothing, but please don't try and pull this 'special snowflake' rubbish. You are not playing as well as you could be, end of.

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Maybe if you're a scholar yes, but as a whm or ast no. I'm not telling you that you can't dps in SV for instance (because I do) but noone would say a word to you if you didn't. End game is absolutely different in this case and most of the parties require you to contribute and I'm totally okay with that. I'm trying to say that you can do a lot of content without people ranting that you're lazy.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

This should only happen if you are unfamiliar/lacking experience with the duty. Obviously, you shouldn't be going into Cleric's Stance when a big, potentially tank destroying attack is coming within a few seconds. It's a matter of knowing or doing it often enough that it becomes muscle memory. But that all takes (a lot) more effort and maybe that is the "scary" aspect about it? :P
But this is a form of effort all jobs have to perform for harder content

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I just want to second this because it's important.

Lately I've seen CS mentioned by other posters as if it were some sort of roulette that put party members at risk of dying in exchange for increased DPS potential.

As Lyrica suggests, CS is not something that healers spray-and-pray with. It should not leave you vulnerable since you wouldn't have toggled it on (for a whopping 5 seconds at minimum) if life threatening damage had been imminent.

This is not a problem in Japanese servers, but from what I read from these comments is the following:
"I can just do the minimal effort possible, I WANT to look at netflix/FB" or
"It's just a GAME, I can do what I want, it's my money"

So some people truly do this just because they want to be lazy. If this is not toxic behaviour I don't know what is. We all pay for this game, not only you. Please bring your best to dungeons. This kind of behaviour and thinking is a much bigger issue than a healer who doesn't dps because they're not confident, or they're new to the game, or the content simply doesn't allow for dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Iris_BP

Maybe if you're a scholar yes, but as a whm or ast no. I'm not telling you that you can't dps in SV for instance (because I do) but noone would say a word to you if you didn't. End game is absolutely different in this case and most of the parties require you to contribute and I'm totally okay with that. I'm trying to say that you can do a lot of content without people ranting that you're lazy.

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No you're wrong, you can DPS in everything if you want, no matter what healer you play. Every healer i personally know (and most are WHM/AST) DPS in every single piece of content from 1-60 inc. savage, solo healer or 8 man, doesn't matter. There is never enough damage to ensure any healer in any content is forced to only heal because healing is ridiculously OP compared to incoming damage in this game.

Is it harder to DPS as WHM and AST than SCH? Yeah sure, leveling both myself currently i'd agree, but it's still stupidly easy to DPS and do your basic job of keeping everyone alive.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

What do you think about dpsing healer who uses all the skills in cleric stance, but lets dps members die in avoidable aoes? Or about dpsing healer who is dpsing almost full-time but kills the tank and dps players?

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Letting the tank die is a bad idea. Letting a DPS die to unavoidable damage is equally bad. If DPS are repeatedly standing in avoidable AoE's, whether it be to "give the healer something to do" or they're just being lazy and not wanting to interrupt their own DPS, they can suck dirt for all I care. I am not your mother. I am not your babysitter. I do not exist for the sole purpose of cleaning up your messes. The floor candy is not delicious so please don't eat it. I understand that there are times that it's unavoidable due to bad positioning or lag, but when I see people standing in the same floor AoE over and over and over again, I just quit healing them. If my fairy is merciful then they may live, but we all know more often than not she's watching Netflix and spamming Embrace on whoever.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

If my fairy is merciful then they may live, but we all know more often than not she's watching Netflix and spamming Embrace on whoever.

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Haha GG :p

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

The question I have to ask to all the players who defend a "Heal only" position - what rational do you have to only need to heal someone once every 6-8 GCDs? I can understand being new and uncomfortable initially - this makes a lot of sense. But when you're experienced and over geared, why not contribute more? I have yet to see a solid reason to why someone shouldn't DPS when the majority of damage in this game comes from high scripted and predictable patterns.

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They don't have to? Maybe they don't feel comfortable and want to stay focused solely on healing, because they are learning. I'm sure some are lazy, but that's their choice. As long as you're all alive til the end complaining is silly.

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

They don't have to? Maybe they don't feel comfortable and want to stay focused solely on healing, because they are learning. I'm sure some are lazy, but that's their choice. As long as you're all alive til the end complaining is silly.

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1. Laziness in a multiplayer game is indefensible.

2. Players who are learning aren't expected to know what to do from Day One and are largely exempt from the current discussion.