Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm still trying not to get my hopes up. Far too many things that I would like to see added to the game end up being the exact same things that the development team choose to compromise on.

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and thats just fine ^^

Personally, I have been raised with the mentality of better be happy and excited then dissapointed than not to be excited at all, but its completely respectable not to get your hopes up, considering that theres a chance that male viera wont come for 4 years, or worst case scenario, not come at all

This is my mental cannon for male Viera

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...%28FFXI%29.png

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Originally Posted by Kio

This is my mental cannon for male Viera

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...%28FFXI%29.png

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It's perfect, pure art

A male Viera bard by @whispwill on twitter, but the full version seems to only be available to people who bought the zine they did.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-fBSJBUwAA81E_.jpg:large

O.o the Male Viera guy is back

Would have been far better if they had released just female and male Viera. I was looking forward to male Viera so much, I don't understand after all this progress that the same mistake was made of going back to a gender-locked species. Could have saved female and male Hrothgar for a later release. I may have overlooked it but I never saw the same demand for Hrothgar as I did for Viera.

I agree with you. It would have made more sense to release Viera this expansion due to how heavily they are tied to the Greatwood and serving a role close to that of 12. For Hrothgar you could replace each one in the game with a Roegadyn with no problem, except maybe the Gunbreaker instructor. Otherwise, the characters that are Hrothgar in the game now could be replaced with aother race with no consequence or change. It would have made more sense to release them in the potential future Garlemald expansion.

Le husbando is baaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!! Yas!!!

Well...
Any time soon is great!
But I think their hands now are full, to dream it sooner.

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Originally Posted by Darko

Would have been far better if they had released just female and male Viera. I was looking forward to male Viera so much, I don't understand after all this progress that the same mistake was made of going back to a gender-locked species. Could have saved female and male Hrothgar for a later release. I may have overlooked it but I never saw the same demand for Hrothgar as I did for Viera.

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Not like they said we'd get male Viera in the 1st place, Plus we have yet to actually see them in any FF game, (Im not saying they don't exist, so stop it right there) in lore they barley if ever leave the Forrest, and they live separately from the Females. So getting Male Viera was already a pipe dream from the start. Its the One FF race (that I know of) that would work with Female only.
Plus they (or Yoshi Specifically) said this might be their last chance to develop a race. So they wanted to fill both demands for the Viera and a Beast Race. Ultimitly adding in a beast race to give a more diverse option.

WILL we ever get the other Genders? Maybe, remember its not off the Table, but no promises are being made.

Or they could’ve just tied the Gunbreaker lore in with Garlemald rather than the contrived stuff they went with... either way, can’t say I’m impressed by how they’ve handled Viera. I think I’ll snd up taking a break until 5.1 to re-evaluate how things are going. I’m a little disheartened by the expansion and direction I see they’re taking some things in so hopefully that’ll be clearer by then.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Or they could’ve just tied the Gunbreaker lore in with Garlemald rather than the contrived stuff they went with... either way, can’t say I’m impressed by how they’ve handled Viera. I think I’ll snd up taking a break until 5.1 to re-evaluate how things are going. I’m a little disheartened by the expansion and direction I see they’re taking some things in so hopefully that’ll be clearer by then.

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Thats in your right to do.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Or they could’ve just tied the Gunbreaker lore in with Garlemald rather than the contrived stuff they went with... either way, can’t say I’m impressed by how they’ve handled Viera. I think I’ll snd up taking a break until 5.1 to re-evaluate how things are going. I’m a little disheartened by the expansion and direction I see they’re taking some things in so hopefully that’ll be clearer by then.

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I'm right there with you. I've a fair bit of beef with the direction of the game lately myself on many fronts. I'll also see where 5.1 is taking things, but I'm not convinced that it'll go in a direction I find agreeable.

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Originally Posted by Darko

Would have been far better if they had released just female and male Viera. I was looking forward to male Viera so much, I don't understand after all this progress that the same mistake was made of going back to a gender-locked species. Could have saved female and male Hrothgar for a later release. I may have overlooked it but I never saw the same demand for Hrothgar as I did for Viera.

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Viera were never the planned race to begin with. Hrothgar was the one they were originally planning but to keep the playerbase 'happy' they decided to make both. Personally I'd have rather they just given us Hrothgar fully this expansion then look into viera down the line if they wanted to add them so badly. For now, I'd rather they not waste resources making the opposite genders of the current ones since there are a lot of fixes that currently need to be done with the ones we have (i.e hoods, full armors, etc.)

If they are planning them? Fine let em, but as it stands their time and money can be better served elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri

Viera were never the planned race to begin with. Hrothgar was the one they were originally planning but to keep the playerbase 'happy' they decided to make both. Personally I'd have rather they just given us Hrothgar fully this expansion then look into viera down the line if they wanted to add them so badly. For now, I'd rather they not waste resources making the opposite genders of the current ones since there are a lot of fixes that currently need to be done with the ones we have (i.e hoods, full armors, etc.)

If they are planning them? Fine let em, but as it stands their time and money can be better served elsewhere.

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As much as i am ok with male viera, im with you on this. And they have stated that viera was concidered during heavensword, they dropped it for au ra, and this expansion they wanted hrothgar but knew how much people wanted viera so figured they would do both but didnt really expect all the backlash. I dont get all the people who say "oh, they should have dropped hrothgar" when i think hrothgar was something this game needed. Its way diffrent than anything else in the game so far except shareing the fact its a feline like miqote. Even still, all viera really adds is yet another human with a diffrent set of ears.

I also dont understand all the people trying to make viera be something its not... So many want smaller males... Or at least males smaller than female, which dosent make sense due to them being tribal amazon ninja warriors of some sort.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm right there with you. I've a fair bit of beef with the direction of the game lately myself on many fronts. I'll also see where 5.1 is taking things, but I'm not convinced that it'll go in a direction I find agreeable.

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I'll keep playing this game as long as I am enjoying the gameplay. Granted, I am starting to completely run out of things to do other than level alt classes (BORING), obligatory dailies (BORING), Gold Saucer challenge log (BORING), and the occasional savage even though there is no point real point in me getting new gear that way - what I have is good enough. I have nothing else to play that's better, rather an MMORPG to play that I think is better, even in this game's current state. I might go back to ESO, but that would be a temporary thing for like a month just to get through the new expac story and stuff like I always do a couple times a year for the past few years. Single-player games are fleeting, might keep my attention a week or two, but I need a good MMO for long-term play, or at least I like to have a long-term game.

The way they handled viera isn't really something that would make me drop the game because of it. I can definitely see where you are coming from with a combination of issues. Honestly, I feel like things coming out are lower and lower quality overall. Story and music is still top-notch. Maybe I played too much of it. I'm not burned out, I just don't have anything to do.. I other MMORPGs when I got to this point I would start going heavy into PvP, ranked, casual - whatever. Unfortunately, PvP is complete trash in this game, pointless to even bother. It's not fun at all. This game is kind of lacking in content like PvP that can be done indefinitely in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Darko

Would have been far better if they had released just female and male Viera. I was looking forward to male Viera so much, I don't understand after all this progress that the same mistake was made of going back to a gender-locked species. Could have saved female and male Hrothgar for a later release. I may have overlooked it but I never saw the same demand for Hrothgar as I did for Viera.

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No, they couldn't. The uncertainty of not knowing if they could add another race at all is what made them chose half and half. Would you have preferred they slap bunny ears on Hroths and call them the official male Viera instead? I highly doubt so.

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Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri

Viera were never the planned race to begin with. Hrothgar was the one they were originally planning but to keep the playerbase 'happy' they decided to make both. Personally I'd have rather they just given us Hrothgar fully this expansion then look into viera down the line if they wanted to add them so badly. For now, I'd rather they not waste resources making the opposite genders of the current ones since there are a lot of fixes that currently need to be done with the ones we have (i.e hoods, full armors, etc.)

If they are planning them? Fine let em, but as it stands their time and money can be better served elsewhere.

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Its interesting because as far as I can remember Viera was already discussed before HW then they decided to introduce us to Au Ra. They also have said different things in different interviews. One is putting Hrothgar first, another sounds like they had Viera planned due to popluar demand and then noticed that people like the Lupin and decided to add male Hrothgar..

Anyway I would have been happy with either of them if we would have gotten a whole race..and maybe have the race be complete and not at the limited state its right now..especially the Hrothgars with their faces and manes being stuck together.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

I also dont understand all the people trying to make viera be something its not... So many want smaller males... Or at least males smaller than female, which dosent make sense due to them being tribal amazon ninja warriors of some sort.

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it was similar with the original viera thread
many saw the concept art of the children and wanted "loli viera"
its also funny how you see so many min height female viera

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

As much as i am ok with male viera, im with you on this. And they have stated that viera was concidered during heavensword, they dropped it for au ra, and this expansion they wanted hrothgar but knew how much people wanted viera so figured they would do both but didnt really expect all the backlash. I dont get all the people who say "oh, they should have dropped hrothgar" when i think hrothgar was something this game needed. Its way diffrent than anything else in the game so far except shareing the fact its a feline like miqote. Even still, all viera really adds is yet another human with a diffrent set of ears.

I also dont understand all the people trying to make viera be something its not... So many want smaller males... Or at least males smaller than female, which dosent make sense due to them being tribal amazon ninja warriors of some sort.

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Let’s wait to see the updated census figures when things have settled a bit before claiming it ‘needed’ them. Agreed on the second paragraph.

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Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri

Viera were never the planned race to begin with. Hrothgar was the one they were originally planning but to keep the playerbase 'happy' they decided to make both. Personally I'd have rather they just given us Hrothgar fully this expansion then look into viera down the line if they wanted to add them so badly. For now, I'd rather they not waste resources making the opposite genders of the current ones since there are a lot of fixes that currently need to be done with the ones we have (i.e hoods, full armors, etc.)

If they are planning them? Fine let em, but as it stands their time and money can be better served elsewhere.

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Agreed the current races are so unfinished, I would rather them sort those out before they add bunny men and lion women as if they did they would just be as limited as their counterparts. I dislike genderlocks especially when it falls into tired over used tropes but lets sort out the viera and hrothgar first.

I agree that one complete race would have been better than 2 half races but it should have been Viera this expansion, sorry. Their hype goes back to Fran and the Ivalice raids and were the first additional race to truly be planned, not Hrothgar, but were eventually replaced with Au Ra in Heavensward. We might not have "needed" either race this expansion but it's clear that they at least had a plan with Viera which got woven in well with the story of Shadowbringers compared to Hrothgar, which appear to just be thrown in there loosely.

Anyways, the following fanart is by @shizuerenai on tumblr:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/72a34c75...brko1_1280.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3e5ciqWkAEQgLE.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/80c12aea...4i6o2_1280.png

Some of the Fanart is cute, but I personally don't like the idea of soft cute Smaller Bunny men.
Just gonna Bump this awesome Concept art again because it (to me at least) looks Viable.

Please do not post altered or modded images of gameplay to the forums. Another recent artwork that depicts a difference between body type and height is this one, which compares Basch to Balthier as male Vieras by @vhyrel on twitter.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDLPzZ2X...jpg&name=small

I think we could have both of them. One clan for bigger and more masculine bunnies and one for the more feminine ones and everyone would be happy about the race I think. I really understand the lack of resources and the fact that developers have got too much on their back (Yoshi looked really tired lately), but it doesn't change the fact that we got two half-finished races. I've always told my friends from other MMOs that SE gives you a lot of variety in FFXIV and you can play a cite kitty boy or a very masculine lass and nobody cares about it. Now I don't say anything. I don't agree with all that drama that appeared after the release and I think that many people judged SE unfairly (I really want to believe they didn't have enough time and hands to work on two new races), but every time I go into the character creator I have the feeling from a cheap f2p gender-locked MMO. It's painful. Even though I am ready to support and defend SE's decisions, it's just simply painful.

I do hope they will seriously reconsider adding two missing genders.

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Originally Posted by official_coconut

Please do not post altered or modded images of gameplay to the forums.

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You talking to me, Because this was already posted twice in this thread, why you telling me what to do now?

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Originally Posted by official_coconut

Please do not post altered or modded images of gameplay to the forums. Another recent artwork that depicts a difference between body type and height is this one, which compares Basch to Balthier as male Vieras by @vhyrel on twitter.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDLPzZ2X...jpg&name=small

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Nice builds and faces!

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Originally Posted by Skolopendrokot

I think we could have both of them. One clan for bigger and more masculine bunnies and one for the more feminine ones and everyone would be happy about the race I think.

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Another Midlander/Highlander split would be ideal, yes, but doubtful to happen. Such a drastic difference would be like making a third race. I think even something as simple as height/face difference would consume a lot of time and effort, not to mention Hrothgals
would be made simultaneously.

*edit* Yay, page 974 lol

Height difference wouldn't demand for a lot of time in terms of remodeling clothes, but can take some time to check how they look.
As for faces, they don't affect anything really so it's the easiest change they can do, but I remember Yoshi said something about limitations in character creator itself so they simply can't add too much options. However, I think, having 6 face options, as Midlanders do, is possible.

Divergent builds are a struggle for them, evidently, but a broad enough height slider, like the Roegadyn female one, and a muscle tone slider, can go some way to accommodating multiple tastes.

There is no need for feminine male viera. They are about to come out with the wedding dress for males. Just put that on and play a max short Miqo'te male, with bright pink blush + lipstick.

If we are trying to talk about an actual waste of resources this is definitely it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There is no need for feminine male viera. They are about to come out with the wedding dress for males. Just put that on and play a max short Miqo'te male, with bright pink blush + lipstick.

If we are trying to talk about an actual waste of resources this is definitely it.

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There is a need for a soft/small build male though. We have representation in average and large builds, but nothing in the small category.

And by small, I mean something that still looks like an adult but with a thinner and svelte build that's around miqo'te Hight.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

There is a need for a soft/small build male though. We have representation in average and large builds, but nothing in the small category.

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That's subjective though, male midlander can fill a soft small build if that's what you'd want. Their min height is 5'6 which is relatively short when compared to other male races. Even if that didn't "fit" what you wanted, asking for a muscle slider on male miqo'te is more reasonable in my opinion than co-opting an entire racial gender to fit that niche, it's the same as people who wanted female viera to be smaller in height.

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Originally Posted by Mylionare

That's subjective though, male midlander can fill a soft small build if that's what you'd want. Their min height is 5'6 which is relatively short when compared to other male races. Even if that didn't "fit" what you wanted, asking for a muscle slider on male miqo'te is more reasonable in my opinion than co-opting an entire racial gender to fit that niche, it's the same as people who wanted female viera to be smaller in height.

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Viera is just the scapegoat. It wouldn't matter what race it would be. There'd still be arguments for both sides.

Also I would settle for a muscle slider on Miqo'te but given SE's lack of interest for any form of any character creator updates I don't think it will ever happen.

And lastly, I can't see any argument that says male Midlander is "small" in build past hight. Midlander is pretty much the epitome of an average build based on its proportions. Elezen was on the right track to be slender, but then they messed it up by giving its limbs too much bulk.

This image is generally what I'd like to see for a svelte/small build for a male.
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...cf31af34c5.jpg

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Viera is just the scapegoat. It wouldn't matter what race it would be. There'd still be arguments for both sides.

Also I would settle for a muscle slider on Miqo'te but given SE's lack of interest for any form of any character creator updates I don't think it will ever happen.

And lastly, I can't see any argument that says male Midlander is "small" in build past hight. Midlander is pretty much the epitome of an average build based on its proportions. Elezen was on the right track to be slender, but then they messed it up by giving its limbs too much bulk.

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I don't think anyone has anything against a new race that covers "small" "stout" "soft" or "cute" akin to lalafell or miqo'te being added as long as they don't resemble children/pre-pubescent teenagers as some posters seem to want.

Ivalician moogles were brought up as a possibility.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20070325003033

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Originally Posted by Mylionare

I don't think anyone has anything against a new race that covers "small" "stout" "soft" or "cute" akin to lalafell or miqo'te being added as long as they don't resemble children/pre-pubescent teenagers as some posters seem to want.

Ivalician moogles were brought up as a possibility.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20070325003033

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While I shan't deny there may be those that have ill intentions with a younger looking male, I will say that some folks have taken that crowd and placed anyone wanting a smaller built male into that category as well as accusing people that want a svelte male of "hi-jacking" the race and then they go and say it should have a large and burly build. Clearly when its in their favor, it's not "hi-jacking" but any kind of hint at something different? Yep that's "hi-jacking" the race entirely.

So please do pardon any bitterness in my posts, I believe the blatant hypocrisy more than a few fine folk have had throughout this thread can explain why I have it.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

There is a need for a soft/small build male though. We have representation in average and large builds, but nothing in the small category.

And by small, I mean something that still looks like an adult but with a thinner and svelte build that's around miqo'te Hight.

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To be fair we don't really "need" it. Would be nice to have it, just like how Hrothgar were added for those who enjoy a larger physique, but it's not a necessity for the sake of balance. If anything what we "need" is a race with a Highlander or Lalafell build.

Elezen:Au Ra, Hroth:Roe, Midlander:Miqo'te. Highlanders are the one "in between" and if you prefer to play that kind of body build you're pretty much stuck with being a highlander. Same for lalafell. But that's just on the "need for balance" subject. On a personal level I'd like male Viera to be akin to Elezen, but just slightly shorter. Honest just give me a masculine build of Fem Roes when it comes to body for male Viera and I'll be happy.

Devils make a pretty good point. Perhaps male Viera would end up being the fuzzy counterpart for male Highlanders if they are going to keep up this pattern. Female Viera have been described as taller miqote, but they could also be described as bunny eared female Highlanders without a muscle slider. Hmmm...

There's already multiple options for those who want to play a character that is short and slender. As has been pointed out many times, pushing the boundaries further than what is already available starts to creep into territory that is simply bizarre. Especially if such proportions are accompanied by very feminine/androgynous features.

The claim that there's already 'enough' options for big, buff men is very arguable, too. Many of us who want to play men in this game want another option that is tall and well-built without having comically oversized proportions or glaring design flaws. I'm pretty confident that Highlander men would be a lot more popular if they could be designed to have something closer to Midlander-esque features and also have access to authentic eyebrows. Basch from FFXII is an excellent example of what I refer to.

Given how male viera have been described, they're a good fit for that aesthetic. Though with that said, I already didn't expect them to come anytime soon but now I'm starting to believe that they're not going to come at all no matter how long we wait and request them to be added.

I guess I'll just have to get my 'forest elf' fix from Classic WoW instead.

Again, SE really ought to add a muscle tone slider for the existing races and also mViera, should they be added. I really don't get what the problem is or why this poses an issue. Yes, it's "unique" to Hyur and Roegadyn. Great. Find some other "unique" feature to give them that isn't as pivotal. It should never have been limited to two specific races.

A lot of their arguments for not correcting errors of the past or adding features such as this don't really make a whole lot of sense to me.

I'd also like the Highlander physique for Viera.

We speak about heights again? Should I post another quote of mine own messages with explanation that most of options are purely 180+ height?
If people want to play something SHORT, they have.... Lalafells. If people want to play something normal height, they have Miqo'te and Midlander. Everything else is TALL.

However, I will say nothing about Viera height, because it's up to SE to decide if they will make them same range as females, or shorter, or taller.