"Fix" Speed Runs? How about fixing the real issue?

Anything with a reasonable gil amount lets say 500-1000gil would cover my average repair bill. (wich is around 300-500gil/run.)
(and oh yeah...on my main character that is, not this one...)

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Originally Posted by Boyahd

Oh, let's not forget that FFXI actually gave you incentive to kill trash mobs in dungeon-like settings. It's strange that a game made by the same company ELEVEN YEARS AGO has the right idea in comparison. If anything, this is a hardcore regression that makes me wonder if Yoshi_P only played Korean MMOs, the worst of them all.

Edit: Oh, with a little dash of Guild Wars 2, as it's obvious this is where he pulled the FATE system from. I hope there's an interview with him admitting this as it would be rather disgusting if he doesn't even mention the inspiration.

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Just for the record when he did a live letter way back when he was talking about all the changes he was going to make to FFXIV, he actually stated he played tons of MMO's said afew (including Guild Wars 2) and said he was getting inspiration and advice from them and mechanics he believed would work in this game. So yeah.

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Originally Posted by ilJumperMT

Trash mobs are a waste of time that yield no items or gil.

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I get that some people make the argument that "the incentive is that if you want to kill the bosses than killing the trash is necessary".

The reality, however, is that if the trash mobs did drop gil (lets say enough to compensate for the gil sinks) than that would be more then enough motivation for people to start playing the dungeons "correctly". I mean you could speed run..and not make enough gil to pay for your runs..or you could play it the ways its meant to be played and be rewarded for doing so.

Hey, you get 1 gil in AK, that's something! :p

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

We're planning to release a hotfix next week that we'll use to address and adjust a few elements.

One of the adjustments regards the regular monsters in level 50 dungeons and how there is currently no reason to defeat them.

We'll be announcing additional details about the hotfix details soon!

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Just make "objectives" list - defeat x amount numbers of certain enemies, get certain amount of tomes. And make the Boss battle as the bonus round where it gives additional more tomes that are must be completed to bump up the amount of rewards. This way players have to hunt down the enemies to complete the objectives or it will severely undercut the rewards potential. Also for each objectives completed you get 300 gils, so you end up with 3000 gils per dungeon if you complete all objectives and boss battle. If we have to do the dungeon for twice as long then the reward should be doubled. Also make those mobs drop random end game crafting items for better weapons and random materias tier 3 + 4.

Basically make each end game dungeon runs as "multiple levee runs" with gil rewards, item rewards, and additional tomes. You already have the mechanic of these "killed x amount number of enemies" in the game, why not use it.

Honestly kinda worried about this hotfix.

No one is doing CM or AK for gil. They want tomes. Mobs dropping more gil isn't going to make me want to waste time fighting them. No one is going "Man, I want to waste my time killing all these trash mobs, but only if they'd drop enough gil to at least cover the repair costs..." So hopefully it's not that.

Them dropping tomes would be great. But only if they DON'T adjust the amount of tomes you get from bosses. If they lower the boss tomes to even things out then all that would do is make the grind even more horrible than it is now. Same reward, except now you have to fight more trash! Yay. The rewards have to be greater than they are now, or they just made things worse. Making CM worse...that would be quite the feat.

Please don't mess this up, SE. I know you want to prolong the game, but if the grind is too brutal then you're not doing yourselves any favors. I would gear up multiple jobs if it didn't mean running the same dungeon over and over and over and over x 60 or whatever. That's already not fun. Don't make it even less fun. Please.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Honestly kinda worried about this hotfix.

No one is doing CM or AK for gil. They want tomes. Mobs dropping more gil isn't going to make me want to waste time fighting them. No one is going "Man, I want to waste my time killing all these trash mobs, but only if they'd drop enough gil to at least cover the repair costs..." So hopefully it's not that.

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Yes. While I might want the party to go out of their way for an extra 1K gil per run, everyone farming won't want to waste the time they could be getting Tomestones. Gil isn't enough of an incentive to go for all the trash mobs, because many people aren't poor enough to warrant that waste of time. It's called a SPEED run because people want to defeat it as quickly as possible so they can hurry and do it again. The only viable solution would be to have mobs drop tomestones. Even 1 or 2 per mob would really help out.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

I thought this game is casual why do people want to fix speed runs? do you all really want to waste 30-45m+ a run to get your points? I play 8-10hours a day so at the end it does not bug me w/e they do but i thought more then half of players are casual lol.

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8-10 hours a day?!? Is this game a full time job to you? lmao

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Honestly kinda worried about this hotfix.

No one is doing CM or AK for gil. They want tomes. Mobs dropping more gil isn't going to make me want to waste time fighting them. No one is going "Man, I want to waste my time killing all these trash mobs, but only if they'd drop enough gil to at least cover the repair costs..." So hopefully it's not that.

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I have seen so many threads on these forums from people bitching about how the endgame is not sustainable due to the fact that the repair costs associated with running dungeons far outweighs the reward for those dungeons...so what you end up with is a large gil sink that drains money from the economy.

Some of you want the best of both worlds...you want to quick run the dungeons over and over...but you also want enormous rewards for skipping the majority of the dungeons..sorry it shouldn't work that way. In fact, I think they should tie the tome reward to the percentage of mobs you kill and if you clear the dungeon maybe provide a tome bonus on top of the gil earned from killing the mobs.

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Originally Posted by Uriahnool

Yes. While I might want the party to go out of their way for an extra 1K gil per run, everyone farming won't want to waste the time they could be getting Tomestones. Gil isn't enough of an incentive to go for all the trash mobs, because many people aren't poor enough to warrant that waste of time. It's called a SPEED run because people want to defeat it as quickly as possible so they can hurry and do it again. The only viable solution would be to have mobs drop tomestones. Even 1 or 2 per mob would really help out.

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I'm pretty sure the previous changes implies they don't want people doing "speed runs". At least not by the same meaning that most of us are used to, which is to avoid everything you can to finish the instance without losing a single second.

Tomestones dropping from mobs would be a bit extreme IMO, given that that's part of the games current means of gating endgame. Great if they do make it that way, but seems a little too poorly thought out, given that this is just a hotfix... which I'm not sure is even the appropriate term, unless it literally was a mistake they made.