fflogs and privacy

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Not everyone has problems with the numbers site because they don't want to improve. In addition to percentage numbers, people are also kicking people for many other things that they should have no way of knowing, like number of clears/prog point/boss HP%.

Like for example, let's say I'm extremely confident in mechanic C and don't make any mistakes during it, so I go and join a prog PF for mechanic D, but I get kicked because I've never seen mechanic D due to the fact that my party keeps wiping to someone not doing mechanic C properly and so boss never starts casting mechanic D.

Or another example, let's say I clear savage week 1 and want to clear for my alt too, so I join a clear PF and get kicked because I have no logged amount of prog on that character. Does that mean I should go and join prog PFs even though I gain no benefit from it at all?

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For the alt thing I would just say it when joining.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Not everyone has problems with the numbers site because they don't want to improve. In addition to percentage numbers, people are also kicking people for many other things that they should have no way of knowing, like number of clears/prog point/boss HP%.

Like for example, let's say I'm extremely confident in mechanic C and don't make any mistakes during it, so I go and join a prog PF for mechanic D, but I get kicked because I've never seen mechanic D due to the fact that my party keeps wiping to someone not doing mechanic C properly and so boss never starts casting mechanic D.

Or another example, let's say I clear savage week 1 and want to clear for my alt too, so I join a clear PF and get kicked because I have no logged amount of prog on that character. Does that mean I should go and join prog PFs even though I gain no benefit from it at all?

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Is this really a thing? I have never been kicked out of a party for lack of progress on my alts. Getting my first clear on an alt is usually what causes me trouble, because farm groups are locked behind a kill requirement and kill for friend / enrage parties tend to be... not as kill for friendy or enragy as I would hope ^_^. But lack of progress has never been an issue for me. And I have never experienced someone being kicked from a party for a similar reason.

I personally have been PF-ing a LOT for the last 3 tiers and the instance when somebody got kicked was so rare and in between that it's almost not worth mentioning. Also, it was never because they had a grey parse but more because their consistency was a complete ass for whatever reason. It doesn't matter if they saw the mechanic or not.

I am generally a lot more inclined to kick and blacklist, for a limited time, the people who lie about their prog point or who do not remove themselves if they have an off day because I absolutely despise people that do that.

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Originally Posted by Xelanar

Is this really a thing? I have never been kicked out of a party for lack of progress on my alts. Getting my first clear on an alt is usually what causes me trouble, because farm groups are locked behind a kill requirement and kill for friend / enrage parties tend to be... not as kill for friendy or enragy as I would hope ^_^. But lack of progress has never been an issue for me. And I have never experienced someone being kicked from a party for a similar reason.

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It's a thing but rare. I was removed, for what I can only assume was for parse related reasons, on my main trying to get reclears done. I joined with two other friends and two of us were removed a couple of minutes after joining without a word with the PF still being up afterwards. We both reached out to ask why to complete silence.

So yeah, it exists but definitely not the majority or at the point of being a real issue.

Being kicked due to the website OP mentioned is rare.

But more and more people are normalizing the use of the other stalking website that they have, which makes every log uploaded public by default, including wipes. Naturally, this will happen more in Ultis. Some people can prog a Savage fight in 1 or 2 lockouts.

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Originally Posted by ExcellusUltimus

I would love to see SE sue the creators of FFLOGs and have the website shut down permanently. FFLOGs is a blight on this game, and the average player doesn't have the intelligence necessary to use the website in a reasonable manner.

Hell, last night I was in a party for Chaotic and somebody insulted me for having less than 20 logged clears. (I had 19.) Even though I've cleared all content in the game, including all ultimates, most on patch, since 2.0.

FFlogs provides fuel for morons and the community would be better off without it.

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If we followed your logic in real life there would be no cars, no knives, no string/thin rope, no pillows, no flammable items, no heavy blunt objects, etc. Why? Because some morons decided to use those things to harm others. Better chop off everyone's hands while we're at it, those are also used to harm others regardless of the useful tasks they can also do.

Removing a tool that morons use won't stop them from being morons. They'll find other tools to use for the same ends. Maybe we should focus on doing something about the morons instead?

The morons can be reported to SE if they are harassing other players in game. They can be reported to Discord if they are harassing people in Discord. They can be reported to YouTube or Twitch if they are harassing people in their content creation.

Kick them from your parties if they start harassing other players while in party. Leave their parties if they're the party leader. Don't let them benefit from acting like morons.

It's sad a large part of the community wants to continue to enable the morons by allowing (or demanding) the blame to be shifted elsewhere instead of doing something about the morons who are responsible for the harassment.

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Originally Posted by brinn12

Being kicked due to the website OP mentioned is rare.

But more and more people are normalizing the use of the other stalking website that they have, which makes every log uploaded public by default, including wipes. Naturally, this will happen more in Ultis. Some people can prog a Savage fight in 1 or 2 lockouts.

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Tomestone is actually GOATed tbh. Being able to spot prog liars in PF is basically essential for ultimate. I've seen people trying (and failing) to skip whole phases of prog. Tomestone is the best way to confirm that they 100% need to be blacklisted for trying to lie their way into groups and aren't just having a bad day.

Mishapen Chair says it best also applies to discussions to job variety.

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Originally Posted by Xelanar

Is this really a thing? I have never been kicked out of a party for lack of progress on my alts. Getting my first clear on an alt is usually what causes me trouble, because farm groups are locked behind a kill requirement and kill for friend / enrage parties tend to be... not as kill for friendy or enragy as I would hope ^_^. But lack of progress has never been an issue for me. And I have never experienced someone being kicked from a party for a similar reason.

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You can't join [Duty Complete] parties on an alt that hasn't cleared anyway. You have to send the party leader a /tell and say "hi, this an alt. my main is Character Name. is it ok if i join?" and have them invite you.

I don't think the person that you were replying to even thought about their complaint before making it.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If we followed your logic in real life there would be no cars, no knives, no string/thin rope, no pillows, no flammable items, no heavy blunt objects, etc. Why? Because some morons decided to use those things to harm others. Better chop off everyone's hands while we're at it, those are also used to harm others regardless of the useful tasks they can also do.

Removing a tool that morons use won't stop them from being morons. They'll find other tools to use for the same ends. Maybe we should focus on doing something about the morons instead?

The morons can be reported to SE if they are harassing other players in game. They can be reported to Discord if they are harassing people in Discord. They can be reported to YouTube or Twitch if they are harassing people in their content creation.

Kick them from your parties if they start harassing other players while in party. Leave their parties if they're the party leader. Don't let them benefit from acting like morons.

It's sad a large part of the community wants to continue to enable the morons by allowing (or demanding) the blame to be shifted elsewhere instead of doing something about the morons who are responsible for the harassment.

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That's an interesting slope to follow, I dare hope it's not too slippery. The real question becomes where do you put the line and how many morons are "some morons", and how much of their "moronic" culture spreading is too much, becoming the de facto standard of acceptance that shapes the rules permeating the whole community?

You chose cars and makeshift weapons. Could have also gone for hard drugs on the other end of the spectrum.

Which one is the better analogy here? I don't honestly know, but I'll let you chose.