Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 changes / Kaiten removal

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

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Tag added by " M1551NGN0 ", guessing to troll. Okey dokey.

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Which ironically makes them just as much of a crybaby. Imagine feeling so bothered by mains of a job you don't even play that you go out of your way to spit on their feet. We see you troll boy, and frankly, you look like a coward. Pretty standard for trolls though, right?

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

Look, I am not pointing fingers here. But I find it even this reasoning... DPS Variance, incredibly " Stupid ". Because reduction of Variance? is rebalancing towards " Non-Variance ". There will always be variances in the numbers, it's an endless rabbit hole... Where do we stop on variance reduction?

• Direct Hit removal
• Making every job Auto-Crit
• Removal of Crit entirely
• All Gear stats equalized
• Job buffs are now all the same
• Every Racial stat passive the same
• Auto-Attack removal
• Removal of all Dots
• All Mitigation the same
• All AoE shapes the same
• All healing amounts the same
• All the same everything the same everything

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Don't forget minimizing burst damage, because high-burst jobs create an unfair advantage or disadvantage depending on how soon after or before a window a group manages to bring the boss down to 0%. DPS output over time should look as close to a flat line as possible.

For legal reasons... Based on the " Letter from the Producer LIVE Part LXX (04/13/2022) ", let's make sure we don't forget what was said (* PS: right click the image to open original size * )

https://i.ibb.co/W0XPF1F/LL1.png

So " Yoshi P is responsible or takes responsibility for the changes "


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Yes, they thought of not changing anything... Admitting that well no one asked for these changes... but saw Auto-Crits boosting Samurai's performance which it didn't at least not by " really high " and removing Kaiten cause it was restrictive? Translation into my ears is that they are too lazy. They admit themselves " on what makes this Job fun " and they admit to taking that away.

But then continues to also note about the synergy issues when doing this quote " I'm definitely aware " but of course the " can't do everything at once "


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To me it just sounds like excuses, of admittingly taking away what they know is fun, and refusing to keep it because of again excuses. Back in the day apparently were capable of calculating a lot of other darn stats I am learning.
From Accuracy to Elemental resistance, more positionals apparently and much more... but Kaiten is where they draw the line? sounds like pure laziness.


PS Edit: M1551NGN0, I removed your troll tags for the " 5TH " time now. You could also comment btw, unless your mouth is full of Square's... mogstation emotes.

I'd be fine with waiting for 6.2, if they'd say they hear us and are working it out. I'd be fine if they said they're working on a way to bring Kaiten back and make it better somehow. Just SAY SOMETHING, I beg of you! If you ask for feedback, it seems to me that responding is vital.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwen

I'd be fine with waiting for 6.2, if they'd say they hear us and are working it out. I'd be fine if they said they're working on a way to bring Kaiten back and make it better somehow. Just SAY SOMETHING, I beg of you! If you ask for feedback, it seems to me that responding is vital.

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Whether you're fine with it or not, we're stuck with waiting till the live letter to even figure out what they want to do. To me, all this still reeks of bad planning and having to live with it the past few months just seemed absolutely needless. But, is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Ruminous

Whether you're fine with it or not, we're stuck with waiting till the live letter to even figure out what they want to do. To me, all this still reeks of bad planning and having to live with it the past few months just seemed absolutely needless. But, is what it is.

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This is Square Enix, they can do no wrong, and then we get FFXIII and FFXIV1.0 hell, FFXV was made after FFXIV2.0 and it was aswell heavily critized
What I was ask is why are they so silent about it.. it feels familiar in a bad way

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Originally Posted by RyuuZero

What I was ask is why are they so silent about it.. it feels familiar in a bad way

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I know some of you only joined the forum specifically because of this, but this is par for the course for job changes.

A change happens, feedback comes in, radio silence, and you find out whether or not the feedback was taken into consideration. There are only rare examples of rapid change in response to feedback or addressing that feedback outside of liveletters.

Bumping thread, as it's more relevant than brand new ones asking for more of the same.

Have a nice day folks.

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Originally Posted by Ceridwen

I'd be fine with waiting for 6.2, if they'd say they hear us and are working it out. I'd be fine if they said they're working on a way to bring Kaiten back and make it better somehow. Just SAY SOMETHING, I beg of you! If you ask for feedback, it seems to me that responding is vital.

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I think that the problem with this is that if you do then next time people will expect the same in another case and when they don't make an urgent mention of it people will begin to go wild with speculation.
They said that they're delaying the AST and DRG reworks because of the negative feedback towards SAM, that's as good of an admission we're going to get before the Live Letter.

I know that from the players pov it might seem simple, but when you look at it from their pov everything they say will get read into and set a precedence for the future and be put under a microscope.
I mean we saw that with Yoshi-P's rather tame joke about how we'll be mad about lack of glam space in three months, and people took that harmless comment and went completely ballistic about it and had mental breakdowns about how horrible they think he is and how he's '' mocking us ''.
People took it as if he was being shitty towards us out of spite and like it was intended to be a personal attack.

Yes it's annoying with the silence, but people have already showcased both in this case and many other cases that they're not capable of not reading a billion things into every little move or comment the devs make or even don't make.
If they came out and made a statement about Kaiten here then it'd set expectations for the future and if they didn't comment on a similar case in the future people would flip out and read in some hidden message into it.
This is fairly common in PR.

People can get as mad at me as they want for saying it but people on this forum behave like children, and if people are gonna behave like children then they'll have to expect to be treated like children too.
It's not rly just about this specific case, but the grander scheme of things.
People are already reading what they want to read into it because it suits their outrage because he didn't mention it directly in the part 1 of the Live Letter even tho they don't typically comment on Jobs in part 1.

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

Seems like an entirely reasonable expectation compared to randomly deleting well-liked gameplay features for no apparent reason in complete radio silence.

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That's because you're thinking about it in a vacuum.
Sure, now they have a vocal minority doing it and who think that him not commenting on that specifically is some hidden message that is implying the worst.
If he had a history however of commenting on things like this and didn't in this case then there would appear to be more merit behind the wild speculation in this case.

But the fact that he doesn't means that all that it is is just wild speculation because people want to be mad.
Because it's the same in basically every other case, people have nothing to go on other than what they want to be mad about in the moment.
I also think that in reality we've gotten more to go on with this than we usually would, because like I said before the DRG and AST reworks are being delayed because of the negative feedback towards SAM.
That's more than nothing, and usually we get nothing.

He also did explain their reasoning behind it, whether you agree or not is a different matter I personally disagree with their reasoning too.
But it's not '' no apparent reason '' and there haven't been radio silence because they have acknowledged that the feedback was negative more than once.
Try and think of it from their pov and of trying to manage expectations in the grand scheme of things and having to deal with people who are constantly reading the most bad faith and worst scenario into everything that comes out your mouth.
It's not strange at all that the situation is what it is and the community ( at least on this forum and the Subreddit ) have a lot of responsibility in that.
The devs don't feel like it's safe to speak to us, we're a source of constant stress and non-charitability.

You're complaining about a problem that you're partly responsible for yourself.
I know it's unpopular to say because as much as people love to criticize others they don't like being criticized themselves.
But it's the truth and why things are the way that they are.

I'd say that the forum is stressful to most people probably whos sole interest isn't to just be part of some angry circlejerk.
No one wants to deal with it and it's going to affect how much and to what level the devs feel like they can communicate with us.
They don't want to have everything they say come back to bite them in the ass constantly, and because of that it's very often just easier to not say anything at all.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I think that the problem with this is that if you do then next time people will expect the same in another case and when they don't make an urgent mention of it people will begin to go wild with speculation.
They said that they're delaying the AST and DRG reworks because of the negative feedback towards SAM, that's as good of an admission we're going to get before the Live Letter.

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Seems like an entirely reasonable expectation compared to randomly deleting well-liked gameplay features for no apparent reason in complete radio silence.