I'm gonna say it. cause no one else will.

I wouldn't mind more challenging healing myself (though only slightly more, since I think it's already plenty challenging), though I hope you haven't forgotten that we're at the end of an expac and it's only natural that you're overhealing just about all the current content and there IS an impending ilv crunch coming that will no doubt change healing across the board, especially coupled with the new content which everyone will face in green gear at best. Your healing toolkit is about to be a lot more relied upon.

So why ask for more? The pedestal you stand on is about to be kicked out from under your feet and is only ever temporary anyways. Lay off the demand for more dps buttons till you see the true amount of changes. Healers are fine the way they are without these weird desires for more complexity to fill small downtimes that are likely about to vanish for the next several months after launch.

Stick to healing and stop whining about how boring it is, or play something else for everyone's sake.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I’ll clarify a bit.

Basically, I’m in the camp of healers that wants more reasons to use my healing toolkit. As it stands, I can heal most big mechanics with oGCDs. I have an answer for nearly everything even with paired with a healer that still thinks Cure I spam is acceptable practice at level 80. And my answers are all overkill. Things like Horoscope Helios, Neutral Sect, Seraph. All of those are overkill in a lot of content because the outgoing damage is spread too thin, or just paltry unless the entire party is sporting 4 stacks of vulnerability up.

I want to use my shiny new toys, but the developers do not want to overwhelm baby healers. Fine. I can accept that even if I don’t like it. The problem is, is that this carries into harder content as well. Savage. Ultimate. There are a myriad of examples where I am spending more GCDs on Glare/Malefic/Broil/Dosis than healing.

So, if the developers do not want to give me more healing to focus on, at least make what I am doing a bit more engaging. Which is spamming my 1 nuke. I’m not even asking for combos. I’d be happy if they brought back Aero III/Miasma II for the jobs. Just something else to upkeep since they won’t let me focus on healing more.

SGE’s gameplay of healing being directly tied to damage is amazing. I would love more kit interactions like that—but I know it’s an unrealistic desire, since it would force non-DPSing healers to actually press their damage buttons. And the developers have said they will never force that. Their solution to the other three healers being boring as sin to play when it comes to DPS rotational complexity is to basically play SGE. Which is sad. I’d love for all three to have kit interactions like SGE. (That aren’t a damage loss, which Misery technically is.)

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Gotcha gotcha thank you for that.

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Originally Posted by Ironthorne

People who made the argument have posted numerous run records to demonstrate their points. Why don't you do the same?

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How about I link the "Tales from duty finder" thread. Would that work?

How about you post literally any of your healing logs in Savage? Or even Extreme?

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

How about you post literally any of your healing logs in Savage? Or even Extreme?

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Are you trying to flex or something? I'm talking about healing on all levels. No one cares about your achievements.

So you haven't healed in Extreme or Savage?

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

I wouldn't mind more challenging healing myself (though only slightly more, since I think it's already plenty challenging), though I hope you haven't forgotten that we're at the end of an expac and it's only natural that you're overhealing just about all the current content and there IS an impending ilv crunch coming that will no doubt change healing across the board, especially coupled with the new content which everyone will face in green gear at best. Your healing toolkit is about to be a lot more relied upon.

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You’d have a point if there weren’t Week 1 Savage instances where I’m doing no healing. This is far more than outgearing content. Week 1 Eden’s Verse was still not that demanding on healing outside of E8S. I’d say the same for Promise if I hadn’t been forced into playing physical ranged as opposed to the role I really wanted to play, but the only heal checks in it where E11S cycles and E12S.

It actually is my hope that the stat squish will up healing requirements, but I somehow doubt that. Considering we’ve been asking since HW for more healing and have yet to see it. Just more tools to be overkill in the content. And the developers also won’t make things too uncomfortable for baby healers. Which fine. I don’t necessarily need dungeons to have Savage-level healer checks. I’d just like more reasons to use my kit more.

I’d love to be wrong, but my hopes aren’t high.

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So why ask for more? The pedestal you stand on is about to be kicked out from under your feet and is only ever temporary anyways. Lay off the demand for more dps buttons till you see the true amount of changes. Healers are fine the way they are without these weird desires for more complexity to fill small downtimes that are likely about to vanish for the next several months after launch.

Stick to healing and stop whining about how boring it is, or play something else for everyone's sake.

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Pardon if we don’t feel optimistic about what the expansion will bring after being repeatedly disappointed. The devs said in both SB and ShB we’d have more healing to do. I’ve yet to actually see it outside of some portions of Ultimate (others, not so much—looking at you, Twintania). If anything, healers continue to just get stronger—even with the lack of scaling they added in ShB to post-70 heals.

There's never been a stat squish before either, right?

Sage is supposedly more complicated that other healers from what I hear.

The content is getting progressively more epic and intense with each expac.

And FF14 is watching WoW crumble and no doubt learning from it.

You may be giving up on them a little too soon.

I don't see a need for massive healer changes in light of all this. I honestly believe there is more great things coming in any case, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you're bored, main something else.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

There's never been a stat squish before either, right?

Sage is supposedly more complicated that other healers from what I hear.

The content is getting progressively more epic and intense with each expac.

And FF14 is watching WoW crumble and no doubt learning from it.

You may be giving up on them a little too soon.

I don't see a need for massive healer changes in light of all this.

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Key word is “supposedly”. We’ll see how complex it is in practice when the expansion launches. Even if we assume it is just as in-depth and as complex as Yoshida has claimed, however, that still leaves the other three healers. Are they to be stuck in noncomplex boring land for forever because SGE exists? Presumably so, given his recent interview.

The content hasn’t really gotten more intense or epic, though. Dungeons are still the same. 24-mans are still the same. Savage likely won’t surpass current difficulty because the developers prefer the accessibility. My only hope is the Ultimates at this point. Content you do isn’t more intense. The healing requirements for ShB leveling dungeons were the same as SB. The only exception being Holminster Switch had spice to it that Sirensong Sea did not. But overall, the others weren’t any harder than those who came before. At most, the spike we saw going from Shisui to Bardam’s simply happened earlier with Holminster.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Sage is supposedly more complicated that other healers from what I hear.

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if you even bothered reading tooltips you would see sage is more of the same