Pulling During Cutscene

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Originally Posted by Trobon

I guess this is what FF XIV’s stellar community has come to.

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Good then that only a small minority is on these forums and reddit.

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Originally Posted by Umbrix_Darkfire

I'm a new player and I nearly quit the game yesterday due to players behaving this way. I came to this game because I heard the community was better, I have learned that they can be just as selfish and unhelpful as others.

They made me feel like I was a burden to their group, they just wanted to pull everything fast and just get everything done as quickly as possible. They didn't care one bit if there was a new player in the group, as a Black Mage I barely even got any casts off because of how they were playing.

I couldn't even tell them to slow down because they were pulling so fast and starting cut scenes before I got a chance to say anything, even doing skips that I was unaware of. I was not impressed by this experience, I'm still debating if I should subscribe to this game, if players are going to be so impatient and indifferent then it is not worth it.

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Sorry you experienced that.
It goes without saying but don't let few bad apples ruin the game for you. Hopefully you did decide to stick around.

Would be a shame for someone to quit over something like this.

If you don't like the game, then fine.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

If a player were to "wait" specifically due to a pull in a cutscene, and willfully not participate, seeing as others have apparently gotten banned for specifically 3.2, it is against the ToS. The problem is proving the intent to be 'disruptive'.

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Give me one topic with someone posting picture proof of a convo with a GM where someone has gotten banned explicitly for waiting for someone in a cutscene citing 3.2. Considering GMs have already ruled kicking for playstyle differences is an actual reason, I find it extremely sketch they wouldn't have immediately burst out laughing while they throw out a report someone made of someone waiting for another in a cutscene, let alone actually suspend someone for it.

Besides, 3.2 is an incredibly bad clause to whip out in defense of early pulling, since by its own definition, the cutscene watcher can report the early puller as disrupting their gameplay as the early puller is ruining their complete dungeon experience.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Good then that only a small minority is on these forums and reddit.

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Fair play. I often get discouraged by the forums and Reddit sometimes and then feel a lot better when I run something in game.

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Originally Posted by Trobon

Fair play. I often get discouraged by the forums and Reddit sometimes and then feel a lot better when I run something in game.

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Yeah I feel you. I kinda get a kick from reading the drama (mostly on reddit) but I wouldn't say what happens and being said here is reflected as much how the in-game community is like but I hear you, it's hard to tell a difference sometimes lol

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Good then that only a small minority is on these forums and reddit.



Sorry you experienced that.
It goes without saying but don't let few bad apples ruin the game for you. Hopefully you did decide to stick around.

Would be a shame for someone to quit over something like this.

If you don't like the game, then fine.

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I really like this game, my only two complaints are impatient players and Black Mage being unable to do much damage when groups want to pull fast. The tanks will get aggro on stuff and run ahead, all I can really do is press Scathe once in a while or wait for an instant proc. I just thought to myself, why am I here? I can't do anything and no one really cares.

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Originally Posted by Umbrix_Darkfire

I really like this game, my only two complaints are impatient players and Black Mage being unable to do much damage when groups want to pull fast. The tanks will get aggro on stuff and run ahead, all I can really do is press Scathe once in a while or wait for an instant proc. I just thought to myself, why am I here? I can't do anything and no one really cares.

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BLM is one of my main and it will get easier later on but I understand completely what you mean.
If you're in a FC, maybe you can run dungeons with them and/or with friends?

Unfortunately it would seem you're playing in NA (based on your server here on forum) otherwise I'd offer myself up.

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Originally Posted by Umbrix_Darkfire

I really like this game, my only two complaints are impatient players and Black Mage being unable to do much damage when groups want to pull fast. The tanks will get aggro on stuff and run ahead, all I can really do is press Scathe once in a while or wait for an instant proc. I just thought to myself, why am I here? I can't do anything and no one really cares.

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For trash mobs the reason the tank is running ahead is so you can do something when they hit the wall. Other than ranged physical DPS most people won’t be able to hit the mobs either during the run but when the tank stops you can the. Use your aoe skills to burn down 10 enemies at once instead of 2-3. It’s usually nice if the tank gives a heads up or asks at the start, but tanks are doing it so you have better DPS generally. Half the time the reason the tank is doing it is because they were yelled at not to pull one pack at a time by either DPS or healers beforehand.

It’s partially a rush thing as you say but it’s also partially just that one pack at a time doesn’t require or even really allow people to use their full skill set on their character.

If you’re having trouble keeping up though make sure to let people know you’re new and ask if they can go a little slower. Often we won’t know someone is having an issue unless they say something and we’ll just expect to be flamed if we don’t go fast for trash pulls.

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Give me one topic with someone posting picture proof of a convo with a GM where someone has gotten banned explicitly for waiting for someone in a cutscene citing 3.2. Considering GMs have already ruled kicking for playstyle differences is an actual reason, I find it extremely sketch they wouldn't have immediately burst out laughing while they throw out a report someone made of someone waiting for another in a cutscene, let alone actually suspend someone for it.

Besides, 3.2 is an incredibly bad clause to whip out in defense of early pulling, since by its own definition, the cutscene watcher can report the early puller as disrupting their gameplay as the early puller is ruining their complete dungeon experience.

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Was I defending early pulling, or just discussing the topic in general? I referenced 3.2, because I have seen players state several times that they have been banned in the past, citing 3.2, for very similar reasons. I thought it was completely relevant. I'm sure it does go both ways, but just because one player may think they are being 'courteous' by "waiting" it doesn't exempt them from the ToS.

Is it really this hard to have a tiny bit of empathy for new players and exercise a tiny modicum of patience? Its always been considered rude to pull before the party is ready, since long before this game even existed. Honestly, if you don't have 30 seconds to wait for a new player to exit a CS then you dont have time for a wipe, or a D/C or even a slower than average run, in short you dont have time to do the content. Of course its worth saying tge time argument is just a poor attempt to justify selfish behaviour.