Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

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Originally Posted by Nhadaly

Any person with half a brain cell thats decent at raiding can tell a bought run from a real run.

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the one who sold them the run is responsible, and is the worse player. No one forced them to take that person's money.

I know I said I was done with this thread, but I just want to say in response to this:

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

the one who sold them the run is responsible, and is the worse player. No one forced them to take that person's money.

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No one forced the buyer to drop $1,200 USD on a clear for virtual content either. If you want to apply culpability to this situation, both parties share it; it was a mutual agreement—a shared transaction. You don’t get to put all the blame on the sellers or call them Number One Bad Guy when the buyers seem to be more than happy to start throwing their money around for shinies instead of actually doing the content themselves. Just saying.

You could buy like 6.5 years of game time for $1200, or you could pay someone to play the game for you.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

No one forced the buyer to drop $1,200 USD on a clear for virtual content either.

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The raiders never had to sell or advertising selling runs, and there's only a tiny amount of them capable of doing ultimate content. They could have easily just done what they used to do with clear videos on world first races, have a mutually agreed moratorium on selling ultimate runs. they didn't. So to me, they get more of the blame for enabling people. The buyers are already in error, but the sellers chose to continue in it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Because an exploit getting traction will tempt people to try it themselves. Should it go unpunished, it will become increasingly widespread, which does impact the overall game.

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I am not saying that they should not punish those that use an exploit and I also dont mean that they should punish those that use a parser. I am just pointing out that they should have a clear stance on these things and follow through with it on all cases. Accept parser for streamers? Fine, then dont punish regular players if they talk about it. Have someone use an exploit and punish them? Fine, then punish all those other cheaters too. Punish people that are selling Gil for money? Fine but punish those that sell content for money too.

That is my only point in this. That they should not take double standards in this. Either punish both sides for the same breaking or none.

They might get away with it through the game but they won't get away with it through the law. They're selling a product and getting away with tax evasion. Even Patreon donations are taxed. If the government finds out about how much they are making, they'll want their cut. (Of course taking all the regional mumbo jumbo into consideration).

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

Someone else spending money to let a person play the game for them so they can get a shiny weapon that they didn't earn has no effect on me or anyone else. If it makes them happy then let it be. I don't understand why this matters to people. Would it be okay if it was free? Is it just because it's against ToS? No there is definitely a hint of something else... Idk it's whatever.

That's also why SE prolly doesn't really enforce it hard, since it doesn't really effect anyone negatively unlike gil bots and the economy.

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Someone buying gil through an RMT doesn't really effect me either. If anything, it actually helps me. The more people that buy gil, the more things are purchased off the market board, the bigger sale I can make. The more I can charge and jack up my prices.
That doesn't make it okay though.

Anyone caught selling in-game services for real life money should have their account permanently deleted. That some players are bold enough to openly advertise their services through the party finder means that there's no real fear on their part. That needs to change.

I am so tired of high end PvP and PvE being infested with this sort of thing. Even a handful of players doing it affects those of us who are trying to find a legitimate group to clear content with as it lessens the pool of players seeking to tackle high end content in a legitimate manner that aren't already tied to a specific group.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Anyone caught selling in-game services for real life money should have their account permanently deleted. That some players are bold enough to openly advertise their services through the party finder means that there's no real fear on their part. That needs to change.

I am so tired of high end PvP and PvE being infested with this sort of thing. Even a handful of players doing it affects those of us who are trying to find a legitimate group to clear content with as it lessens the pool of players seeking to tackle high end content in a legitimate manner that aren't already tied to a specific group.

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Oh that note, I should mention that not only do they sell primal, savage, and ultimate clears, but they will also sell you win trade services for PvP rewards. Yes, they sell win trading.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I am not saying that they should not punish those that use an exploit and I also dont mean that they should punish those that use a parser. I am just pointing out that they should have a clear stance on these things and follow through with it on all cases. Accept parser for streamers? Fine, then dont punish regular players if they talk about it. Have someone use an exploit and punish them? Fine, then punish all those other cheaters too. Punish people that are selling Gil for money? Fine but punish those that sell content for money too.

That is my only point in this. That they should not take double standards in this. Either punish both sides for the same breaking or none.

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In that case, we agree. Unfortunately, SE seemingly cannot be bothered or are too incompetent to actually do this. The cynicism in me believes they don't because it doesn't impact the game enough to where they lose money, and punishing people may. That, or they legitimately believe it's not as big an issue in NA/EU.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

In that case, we agree. Unfortunately, SE seemingly cannot be bothered or are too incompetent to actually do this. The cynicism in me believes they don't because it doesn't impact the game enough to where they lose money, and punishing people may. That, or they legitimately believe it's not as big an issue in NA/EU.

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None of that would surprise me. (I mean how long ago was that one exploid reported?) But that also does not give much respect for them either. x)