Bunny outfits for men, not a cryptid!

I don't know why I expected a positive reaction. I must have momentarily forgot which forum I was on.

I'm pretty happy things turned out like this honestly. People keep saying "oh but it took so long it's like they just gave up designing something new!". Or maybe it was never a new design in the first place? Maybe no plans to make it new?

I think SE should have been more clear what they were doing once they had the plans finalized, but I think players are to blame as well for getting it in their head somehow that the longer it takes the more likely it will be unique when there was no evidence of that being remotely true. For all we know they could have literally had 3 people working on it as a side project forcing it to take longer than anyone expected.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

I think SE should have been more clear what they were doing once they had the plans finalized, but I think players are to blame as well for getting it in their head somehow that the longer it takes the more likely it will be unique when there was no evidence of that being remotely true. For all we know they could have literally had 3 people working on it as a side project forcing it to take longer than anyone expected.

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They were painfully clear. It's not Square Enix's issue that even native English speakers don't know English.

In every single quote (like the one on previous page) brought up from what Yoshida said about bunny outfit, all they talk about is removing the gender lock. There was not a single instance where he said about making a different bunny suit. How more clear could he make it? People just ASSUMED that if it takes this long, that they are making a new one. They assumed...because apparently taking something at face value is passe...

About 15% of people have dyslexia. That means that about 15% of people do not understand what they are reading. That means that there are tens of millions of people that cannot understand what they are reading in USA alone. There is NO WAY to be clear enough for no one to misunderstand. It's just impossible.

Blaming SE for take 2 years in do the same that they did for the female outfit sounds accurate to me. If they have 3 peoples for do this, and those peoples need 2 years in do the job, I... I just don't know how THAT seem to be OK, for a company like SE.

They even explained like if they was doing something unique, not just a ''copy&paste''. I do blame them for that, they have the resorces for do better things, in time.
If people want to stand 100% to SE, do it. But many people don't think like this is correct.
The dev team lose here, sorry. They need to start to realise how to handle this things the next time.

It's not just the outfit, it's how the game is going to the future...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

But the thing is, the original posts and requests were for a male bunny outfit, not a Chippendale outfit. So that's what the devs saw. I am stating that people (makers of those threads, which probably got the most likes and are therefore what the devs thought was wanted) were outraged there was no male bunny suit, so they made one. Now people are reacting to that saying they expected something else, when, from the devs eyes, they delivered what people wanted. But I digress, I am simply going to be taken as someone who is against male characters getting things because I play a female.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

On these forums at least, I don't remember seeing a single person requesting a more masculine version. Every single time they either specified wanting the same exact one females had or they only said "bunny suit" which is 100% open to interpretation and any reasonable person would rightfully assume they're requesting the female one.

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Here you go. Now we can stop pretending no one at all wished for a bunny outfit for males that didn't look like women's clothes.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

A bit like how I imagine our male bunny set to be. Except it would be better with trousers instead of fishnets like the chippendales pics you can find on google.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

I'd like nice shiny shorts or chaps with a collar/bow tie, cuffs and the bunny decorations. An alternate set of ears like the ladies have would be good. I would also personally like a version of the shorts (if they do shorts) with fishnets but understand if that is too risqué; it would go nicely with a lot of existing caster gear though which often pushes that particular envelope.

When someone released the thread requesting bare chested suspenders I wondered briefly whether we might get that instead of the bare chest and tie look. It could be interesting and since it wouldn't really be appropriate on female models, it would be a decent opportunity to use the idea.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

No, it should be a Chippendale.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

The male version should be chippendales-esque. Like a collar with a bow and no shirt. And pants with a bunny tail. And shoes with bows on them. That would be equivalent to the female outfit.

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Originally Posted by Adire

There's a big difference. Most of the skimpy outfits for men in this game are clearly designed for men or are at least unisex. A man in a speedo is a man in skimpy men's clothing. A man in a bikini (i.e. with the top) with high heels is a man in skimpy women's clothing. Big difference.

I think the bunny suit people have in mind for men here involves fishnets, maybe heels, frilly sleeves, a bunny tail....etc, right? That's by all standards very feminine. A butler-like suit as someone mentioned would not be and would be acceptable to me.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Here you go. Now we can stop pretending no one at all wished for a bunny outfit for males that didn't look like women's clothes.

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Well if no one actually told the Dev Team what they wanted, it would be easy to assume they just wanted a male bunny outfit. Is Chippendale even a thing in Japan? Perhaps going forward, people should have some kind of concept art to show Yoshi-P so the team doesn't mistake what the fans really want?

Even when people get a bone thrown to them, they still nitpick about the bone not being the right size, density, color, etc...

You just can't please certain people and that's a problem game developers face all of the time. You either please all or none, there's never any middle ground.

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Originally Posted by dejiko_san

Well if no one actually told the Dev Team what they wanted, it would be easy to assume they just wanted a male bunny outfit.

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Piggy-backing off this, the feedback/interview dialogue that made it directly to/from Yoshi-P himself (Game watch interview/PAX East that Mahrze posted a page or so back) were specifying "getting rid of the gender lock/making it for everybody." Nobody ever stopped him in both instances and said: "hey, hey, hey wait, we don't want it for both genders, we want a separate, new one for males only."

Sorry to say, but just because some people spoke out here about wanting something different from the female version, doesn't mean that particular feedback would make it to the devs and they would do a 180 from the other direct feedback they received.

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Originally Posted by dejiko_san

Well if no one actually told the Dev Team what they wanted, it would be easy to assume they just wanted a male bunny outfit. Is Chippendale even a thing in Japan? Perhaps going forward, people should have some kind of concept art to show Yoshi-P so the team doesn't mistake what the fans really want?

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We told the dev team what we wanted on these forums as you can well see. I hope you're not trying to imply it's our fault if the CMs aren't doing their job of sending our feedback forward. And the thread my quotes were from had some pictures so don't blame the lack of examples either. (Not like professional designers with professional translators should need pictures to find out what a word means in the era of Google.)

What is likely the case here is that a unique outfit for males just wasn't as much in demand as a copy paste women's outfit for males. There is no helping it if one's opinion is unpopular, but it would be great if fellow players didn't try to invalidate a viewpoint by pretending it didn't exist until now.

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Originally Posted by dejiko_san

Well if no one actually told the Dev Team what they wanted, it would be easy to assume they just wanted a male bunny outfit. Is Chippendale even a thing in Japan? Perhaps going forward, people should have some kind of concept art to show Yoshi-P so the team doesn't mistake what the fans really want?

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Are you serious?
I mean... They were working 2 years for a male outfit. They said that, but they did just a gender unlock.
But we can't complain about that? They don't need ideas, they just need to do it better or expose better what they're doing. Just that.