Dragoon Poll (Should DRG have a Wyvern?)

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Originally Posted by Esk

3:1 now if the pole is to be believed...

Still want to know what the JP/others are saying if anything on this.

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id very much like to see what other regions think, especially JP (they really do have the biggest pull) For all we know its the opposite there, so if anyone can find out id like to know.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

i think almost the same.

the problem is more... the people want to have the choice to stick to their playstyle of the original class..
having for now just one job option (in the future there are planned at least 2 job choices for each class)

is the most problem. so its too early to implement hybrids like dragoon + wyvern pet... like its too early for the barde.
people who played the lancer want to stick to the pure wielding polearm class, not having a pet.


and archers for example want to stick to their (just shooting with bow "damage dealer role") playstyle, not having the supporter role as a barde.



Thats the really most problem i think... they should have first added jobs for thos classes for example "lancemaster" for lancer (which only wields poles thats it) and for archer for example thief (specified in bows/daggers/ and critical attack).


AND THEN later on with 2.0. implementing second jobs like dragoon+wyvern and barde for archer.
that would have been the better choice.

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I agree with everything that you've said. But the problem is however not that it's too early for hybrid classes, the problem is that the current job for for LNC is dragoon. If it was something like a lance knight it would be fine, because a lance knight can still wield a lance and be a full DD without a pet. However if you take away the wyvern from drg then we lose what we learned to love about the FFXI drg. Even by releasing a job in the future with a pet wyvern won't be the same without the drg look and abilities.

When it comes to bard it's pretty obvious. The class role system was very unbalanced, there is way too many DDs, and sadly ARC took the fall for it because someone had to. It is still unclear what the bard will be doing, but I guess it's going to work as a buf/debuf light DD. At the same time it is very unfair to make those who wanted a ARC/RNG class/job to play bard without offering a RNG for it first/simultaneously.


In the end the issues regarding both jobs are a result of class identity conflicts

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Originally Posted by Reliquia

I agree with everything that you've said. But the problem is however not that it's too early for hybrid classes, the problem is that the current job for for LNC is dragoon. If it was something like a lance knight it would be fine, because a lance knight can still wield a lance and be a full DD without a pet. However if you take away the wyvern from drg then we lose what we learned to love about the FFXI drg. Even by releasing a job in the future with a pet wyvern won't be the same without the drg look and abilities.

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you misssunterstood me. i almost meant the same. first they should have implemented the "standard" jobs, which fit more the role of the basic class.. and then for a second job option in 2.0. bard for archer and dragoon (with wyvern) would have been great.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

you misssunterstood me. i almost meant the same. first they should have implemented the "standard" jobs, which fit more the role of the basic class.. and then for a second job option in 2.0. bard for archer and dragoon (with wyvern) would have been great.

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we know they wont do that, its pretty clear that as DRG we either get a pet or not and im VERY much doubting they will add in somethings close to it but with a pet. Im positive from here on out it will be class with an FF based job, later with combo jobs wich are FF named.

id still like to see other regions #s about this, because until someone translates, we cant do anything but speculate. We already know JP have different tastes, so there is a chance they want the opposite we do.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

we know they wont do that, its pretty clear that as DRG we either get a pet or not and im VERY much doubting they will add in somethings close to it but with a pet. Im positive from here on out it will be class with an FF based job, later with combo jobs wich are FF named.

id still like to see other regions #s about this, because until someone translates, we cant do anything but speculate. We already know JP have different tastes, so there is a chance they want the opposite we do.

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lol maybe try out the google website translation.

It isnt that perfect. but can guess what its about.. it isnt that bad... and it seems there are also same topics in it "server seperation, yes or no" etc.

http://translate.google.com/translat...s%2F69&act=url

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

we know they wont do that, its pretty clear that as DRG we either get a pet or not

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Well isnt yoshida thinking of implementing a pet to drg maybe in 2.0.? therefore he could offer an other, second job for lancer (lance knight or what ever) to make all player happy about it.

(sorry for double post)

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Originally Posted by giottoV

Please don't vote for a dragon pet. This isn't ffxi. if they approve of a dragon pet they are going to make dragoon weaker to balance the master-pet damage. Please don't vote.

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This isn't FFTT or FFIV or FFIX either, yet people specifically want that style Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

This isn't FFTT or FFIV or FFIX either, yet people specifically want that style Dragoon.

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Well said, and even though FFIX class was a drg in terms of abilities, it visually didn'thave the same style.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

This isn't FFTT or FFIV or FFIX either, yet people specifically want that style Dragoon.

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Exactly so why not just have FFXIV be FFXIV. Because the true vision of dragoon was in those games. FFXI made it like a joke and thought it was cool to make dragoon a pet class. What I am saying is FFXI online had its dragoon with wyvern. So its time for THIS ffxiv Online not to have one. And the reason why I compared other games with ffxi is because FF up to FFIX was the true FInal fantasy game that was made by Square soft, till they merged and became square enix. SE ruined the visions of dragoon by making it a pet class in ffxi. The result was dragoon became a weak class. Like I said It sucked as a DD, it sucked in ballista, it sucked in every aspect of the game. The only good thing about it was it had a baby pet wyvern.

Dragoon was originally a dragon knight.
Now you dont see dark knight having a pet demon.

Oh and this isnt ffxi and yet people significantly want that style of dragoon? Why not make dragoon restore it to its original glory? by not having a pet and make it become a pure DD class not a pet class.

Before ffxi When you say dragoon its a strong DD that has a dragon-like armor. After FFXI when u say dragoon people ask "well wheres its pet wyvern?"

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

This isn't FFTT or FFIV or FFIX either, yet people specifically want that style Dragoon.

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An overwhelming minority of people.

And you forgot FFII.

Point being, people want Kain's version of Dragoon. Not FFXI's version.

And the people who DO want Wyvern partners are pushing for the wrong method of doing so.

Again, I've found no valid argument why Wyvern cannot be a mount companion on the same battle-ready standards as a Chocobo is planning to be. Why you want to push for a mechanic that will be a nightmare to balance when a much better solution would be available is flabbergasting.