Strength Tanks

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Originally Posted by Enesuia

Voke has 25y good pull, but do you really think you can out threat me after Scorn/Shield lob/ Spirits then finish off my Halone? I do get 2 off set CDS that don't connect with my Halone combo CD, I also do have Flash... Seriously. LEARN YOUR THREAT GENERATION!. -___- Then theres my Def Abilities that generate more Threat point actions... unless you don't know that any ability generates a threat point?....

P.S. Make it happen, don't just say it. Talk is cheap.

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Actually genius, I'm positive my War would rip hate off of you within the first 30 seconds of a full party duty. Obviously you don't know anything about running full party duties or you'd know that a War OT's optimal rotation involves using our threat gen combo liberally. I rip hate off of pallys that aren't complete garbage routinely. You wasting provoke means I'd have to drop like 3 full GCDs (probably more) for you to get hate back. If you had provoke off cooldown I'd only waste one. Since I'm not going to waste time stroking your ego though I would just MT at that point.

My only problem with Strength tanks is that most of you who I run into with DF don't know how to pop a bloody cooldown. We could burn through enemies a lot faster if I or another healer could be allowed to actually DPS while healing, but as long as you don't pop cooldowns, that ain't going to happen and is only going to stress us out because we have less margin for error. If you're going to go full strength, know an actual cooldown rotation, otherwise you're just making the run take longer than it needs to and causing the healers undue grief.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

My only problem with Strength tanks is that most of you who I run into with DF don't know how to pop a bloody cooldown. We could burn through enemies a lot faster if I or another healer could be allowed to actually DPS while healing, but as long as you don't pop cooldowns, that ain't going to happen and is only going to stress us out because we have less margin for error. If you're going to go full strength, know an actual cooldown rotation, otherwise you're just making the run take longer than it needs to and causing the healers undue grief.

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How much more margin of error does a vit tank who doesn't pop cooldowns provide you? I feel that In both cases, the failure to tank effectively has less to do with stats and more to do with playstyle.

Whether its VIT type or a STR type, if a tank player isn't making an effort to pop cooldowns effectively then they need to reset and put all their points into INT.

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Originally Posted by Ragology

How much more margin of error does a vit tank who doesn't pop cooldowns provide you? I feel that In both cases, the failure to tank effectively has less to do with stats and more to do with playstyle.

Whether its VIT type or a STR type, if a tank player isn't making an effort to pop cooldowns effectively then they need to reset and put all their points into INT.

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The difference is generally one GCD. It's usually enough to get a fully dotted bane out rather than having to abort early.

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Originally Posted by Pells

The difference is generally one GCD. It's usually enough to get a fully dotted bane out rather than having to abort early.

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Soooooooo when tanks who were all vit but had 15k hp first got into Alex you couldn't keep them alive? ? Worst healers ever

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Originally Posted by Enesuia

I also do have Flash... Seriously. LEARN YOUR THREAT GENERATION!

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Lol for days on this xD

Ene you don't stand a chance against any tank wearing str. It's just a numbers game. If you can produce enough threat to keep a dps or healer from peeling off, that's fine, it's all you need really. But threat works off multipliers from damage, so if your RoH does 1000 damage and my war BB does 3000 damage, it's just a numbers game you can't possibly catch up.

Voke can be used for longer pulls, sure, but that's not what it's for. It's a threat copy, you use it for tank swaps or when a healer or dps rips off you. Generally you can "get away" with using it if you are fast enough to shield lob or do something after you use it, but you can't just use it and expect it to hold hate for any amount of time. It won't, that's not what it's for. And as Spooky pointed out, if you use it on a pull then you won't have it for 40 some odd seconds in case you do need again.

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Originally Posted by Ragology

Whether its VIT type or a STR type, if a tank player isn't making an effort to pop cooldowns effectively then they need to reset and put all their points into INT.

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This wins the thread.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

But if I don't stack strength as a DRK those healers are gonna have a rough time when I pop Living Dead and need all my HP healed. And more STR means stronger Souleater heals. And less general health means I can heal those sissy attacks and the healer can do other stuffs.

Stack VIT if you want to die later.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have stacked my Dark Knight's Attribute Points into Strength and usually my armor comes with VIT and Strength. I also like when it comes with Determination because it means Soul Eater performs better. I think the OP is a bit of a pleb when it comes to Tanking in all honesty. Your Dark Knight is not your average Tank sunshine !

OMG, basically Vitality tanking was viable before 3.0, and it's easy to see why when playing the content prior to 3.0. There was little to no stress to maximize DPS and threat is easily maintained as long as the DPS or HLR didn't overly surpass your item level or totally tard-out, the player made sure to mark their targets, and follow the formula that everyone will have to explain at some point. Some of the old content still hits harder and faster than anything in the Heavensward story-mode dungeons, like, the Aurum Vale which still has an effect of making people shudder, and how there is like never a point in the Stone Vigil where you're not healing 80-90% of the time, IMO. And, it's not like it is required outside of the expert raids anyway.

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Originally Posted by MPNZ

OMG, basically Vitality tanking was viable before 3.0

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It still kinda is. But it makes me wonder how the devs tested alex savage originally. Did their tanks wear 190 alex nm fending accessories? 150 crafted accessories melded with str? A mix of vit and str alex 190 accessories? Did they have the whm/ast solo heal with a sch dps'ing? Just makes me curious.