RIP Bard

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Originally Posted by kyuven

This is why i have a theory that it's meant to be Stance Danced to set DoTs, not the end-all-be-all.

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That'd be just fine... if it weren't that abysmal 3 second cast time. Stance dancing requires quick, seamless drops both in and out of the stance to take advantage of any given moment. The fact you have to burn 3 of those seconds just to turn the stupid thing on means wasted opportunity. This is definitely designed to be activated at very specific times/phases in fights. Trying to constantly jump in and out is going to screw rotations badly.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

With a 3 second cast time, I don't think that's feasible. Unless Sidewinder also extends dots, but then we're moving straight into guessing.

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Seems we'll get a weaponskill to refresh the dots while under minuet.

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Originally Posted by JohnMccain

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...eview?sle=true,
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...cument/crlph7t,
guy discussing it on twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/pcgamesn/v/5481429,
and my own personal numbers to arrive at 20-25%.

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Thanks for that.

Still gonna reserve judgement until BRD 60 and i can see how the WSs under WM perform. Not forgetting to mention i will also need to see what the other new song is all about.

Yup, a lot of waiting on my part before i write anything off. Still optimistic and can't wait to try this stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mugiawara

You cannot move, you stay still and charge.

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Good, sick of seeing them run around like headless chickens.

..And back to disappointment. A 25% increase is very weak considering we're taking longer to fire and losing auto attacks. Overall DPS would be cut by more than that on the 'cast' times alone. I don't think I'll be using Wanderer's Minuet if that's all it provides.

I said before I'd wait until the numbers before I passed judgment, and here it is. Thanks SE, but I'd rather keep my mobility and auto-attacks. I'll do more damage overall.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I said before I'd wait until the numbers before I passed judgment, and here it is.

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No, here it isn't. You still don't know what the other abilities only available under WM provide, nor how current oGCD abilities will interact with it.

isnt skill speed supposed to boost DOTs dmg now? , it will be our main stat in 3.0 faster casting , less CD and more dot dmg

we are getting a skill to refresh dots (probably instant skill , to being able to refresh on the move) and sidewinder that does more dmg based around having dots.

we dont know whats going to happen to bloodletter , and barrage , maybe barrage boost the next sidewinder dmg , kinda like triple attack for nin ?

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

No, here it isn't. You still don't know what the other abilities only available under WM provide, nor how current oGCD abilities will interact with it.

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Sorry, but unless those new skills are godly powerful, it's not going to make up for the cast times and loss of auto-attacks. A 25% damage boost just doesn't cover the difference in speed.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Sorry, but unless those new skills are godly powerful, it's not going to make up for the cast times and loss of auto-attacks. A 25% damage boost just doesn't cover the difference in speed.

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Yeah unfortunately 25% is low i remember someone saying (not on the forums) that it would need to be 50% for a real difference in dps but does not mean WM is useless just... Better then what i thought it would be (10%)

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Sorry, but unless those new skills are godly powerful, it's not going to make up for the cast times and loss of auto-attacks. A 25% damage boost just doesn't cover the difference in speed.

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Cast times won't slow down our weapon skill usage, unless for some reason its longer than our GCD.

On the areas though, the DoT refreshing would need to have a good amount of potency because we're going to be missing out on the intial potency hits from both bites, and bloodletter oGCD.

I really hope there is something we are missing because being able to use WM with another song for a 5% total buff seems dissapointing. I still hope there is some small group bonus for singing 2 songs at once. Maybe increased pt evasion or slightly speed up health regen tic, hell I'd be ok if it made Swiftsong not disengage . I feel if it's going to be called a song then it should have some group bonus added, if not, then make it stance. I just hope brd is competitive in terms of support with the new jobs and we remain a viable option rather than end up on the sideline.