Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

So how would I single out the rule breaker then? 7 people is a narrow enough pool for square to deal with. It's not that difficult to do. I'm sure they will streamline an investigation method for accounts that are labeled as suspicious for being reported for addon use. There's no reason for a full blown anti-cheat as long as people are being policed for addons regularly. Enough permabans go out and you won't break the rules any longer. You can always go back to WoW where cheating isn't against the ToS.

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You don't. It gets even better, SE has no way to detect who is using the parser so there is no investigation to be done. It's why it is a don't ask don't tell policy. Unless they stream with their character name shown, take a screenshot of it on their screen with their character name shown, or openly admit in chat in game SE will not take action because there is no evidence.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Can we please stop treating WoW like the garbage bin for unsavory folks like them? We don't want them over there either. How about they just don't infest any MMO community?
(Also, the WoW forum is actually very civil. More civil than this one at times)

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:^) "Can we get rid of the faction system? It no longer makes any sense and it forces people to play races they don't care for just so they can be with their friends. I want to be a Horde Worgen because I feel like Worgen are gratuitously in the Alliance out of a technicality and the Horde would fit them a lot better, but I can't because of that limitation. And none of the other Horde races are as appealing to me as Worgen is."

> people go nuts

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Try suggesting in FFXIV that SE should remove the story lock and watch what happens. The people went nuts for much less than that. Still do, in fact.

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But yeah, you're right. Point is, the idea that FF14 is a "great community" is looooong gone. The game has grown, there are a lot more people in here, and the environment is definitely different than what we had before. And the issue is we're super passive aggressive.

WoW may be more aggressive, but that at least stops and people can have a decent discussion. However, just like FF14, people still do very much go nuts over whatever suggestion and clamp down on discussion completely.

Either way? This thread has long since stopped being about a meaningful discussion and it's just a place for what seems to be one guy having a hissy fit that people aren't as restricted as he is.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

:^) "Can we get rid of the faction system? It no longer makes any sense and it forces people to play races they don't care for just so they can be with their friends. I want to be a Horde Worgen because I feel like Worgen are gratuitously in the Alliance out of a technicality and the Horde would fit them a lot better, but I can't because of that limitation. And none of the other Horde races are as appealing to me as Worgen is."

> people go nuts

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Try suggesting in FFXIV that SE should remove the story lock and watch what happens. The people went nuts for much less than that. Still do, in fact.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Try suggesting in FFXIV that SE should remove the story lock and watch what happens. The people went nuts for much less than that. Still do, in fact.

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Naguura, a very prominent and popular WoW streamer, came over to FFXIV with the whole limit max raid thing. She wound up sticking around for a while even going an all girls UwU run but ultimately quit because she kept getting harassed about skipping the story. This was after pointing out that she initially came over to try out Savage with Max, thus she didn't have time to be apart of his project if she went through four expansions worth of story. Additionally, she repeatedly said she genuinely wanted to try the MSQ but would prefer doing it on EU as she's an EU streamer.

Needless to say that never happened because a subset of this community cannot stop clutching their pearls if you so much as mention you don't care about the story or it isn't a priority for you.

I haven't been on the WoW forums in a long time, but back when I played it was notorious for being the worst in the entire MMO community. Followed closely by SWTOR which had articles written about it on gaming sites.

Maybe it's changed now though, and the WoW community is more chill. The FFXIV forums, however, suck bad. People here are cantankerous, trollish, and spend the majority of their time hating on the game for literally anything. And it's not because "We all care about the game and want to see it improve." Yeah no.

Constructive criticism is great and is warranted. And this game is not without its flaws. But the amount of hate heaped on the game here is stupid.

Reddit and Discord are far better communities.

All communities suck lol.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

How is it "fraudulent"??? You don't even know waht that word means. If I am in a parse after asking the party to let me know if they are using addons, it means they didn't respect my experience the way you people suggest you would. I'm not sure how you would exactly go about respectfully using addons because, you don't ask if it's okay because that would result in you being banned. You don't let others know you are using addons if you are asked, because that would result in you getting banned.

The only way for me to get you actioned is to report all the people present in the parse excluding myself. Then square enix will have to do an investigation and either do nothing, or ban the people breaking the ToS. The fact is at least one of the people reported should be banned according the rules. There's no reason to not mass report everyone on fflogs by this logic, but I'm only going to do it for the people who end up parsing me after I ask for them to respectfully leave group or turn off addons for the run they are involving me in.

Imagine twisting dialogue and pretending you're on the side of righteousness by throwing around words you don't even understand. It's a tricky issue to tackle because you cheaters are so sneaky and dishonest about it. If it is annoying enough for square enix to deal with the mass reporting, maybe they will have to step up their policy.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Try suggesting in FFXIV that SE should remove the story lock and watch what happens. The people went nuts for much less than that. Still do, in fact.

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Oh you can do better than that :|

You know very well that in WoW, people generally don't care which race you're playing. At worst, they care about Alliance vs Horde and that's about it. They either hate all other races or they genuinely don't care.

People here look at a lion or a rabbit and instantly act like it single-handedly ruined their game.

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

Can we please stop treating WoW like the garbage bin for unsavory folks like them? We don't want them over there either. How about they just don't infest any MMO community?
(Also, the WoW forum is actually very civil. More civil than this one at times)

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The troll literally said a while back that it's sticking with WoW because at least there "mods are allowed and not against ToS even though they should be". The troll was the one comparing 14 to WoW, not the person you replied to, who was telling it if it loves WoW so much to just stay there.

The only thing I don't like about ACT is it's presence in other content. If it were truly exclusive to people running savage or ultimate, or even EX, and used only to improve their performance then a lot of these arguments would be perfectly valid. The reality is it's used in nearly all content, the fact that my character has a number of logs despite having never done any savage or ultimate raiding nor having run ACT myself attests to that. It has been and will continue to be used to harass and belittle players in content where the kind of performance demanded by savage just isn't necessary. The current stance of the dev team trying to kind fo turn a blind eye to it while still keeping it against the TOS is what is allowing players pursuing savage and other raids to use it while prohibiting it's use in when it becomes in issue in other content, as long as the raiders at least make some attempt to keep it to themselves.

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The only thing I don't like about ACT is it's presence in other content. If it were truly exclusive to people running savage or ultimate, or even EX, and used only to improve their performance then a lot of these arguments would be perfectly valid. The reality is it's used in nearly all content, the fact that my character has a number of logs despite having never done any savage or ultimate raiding nor having run ACT myself attests to that. It has been and will continue to be used to harass and belittle players in content where the kind of performance demanded by savage just isn't necessary. The current stance of the dev team trying to kind fo turn a blind eye to it while still keeping it against the TOS is what is allowing players pursuing savage and other raids to use it while prohibiting it's use in when it becomes in issue in other content, as long as the raiders at least make some attempt to keep it to themselves.

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If someone uses ACT to harass you, you can report them and they will get punished.

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Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro

If someone uses ACT to harass you, you can report them and they will get punished.

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It doesn't really help when most players aren't dumb enough to actually voice their grievances with another and instead just wordlessly remove them from the party so they have no grounds for punishment.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

The only thing I don't like about ACT is it's presence in other content. If it were truly exclusive to people running savage or ultimate, or even EX, and used only to improve their performance then a lot of these arguments would be perfectly valid. The reality is it's used in nearly all content, the fact that my character has a number of logs despite having never done any savage or ultimate raiding nor having run ACT myself attests to that. It has been and will continue to be used to harass and belittle players in content where the kind of performance demanded by savage just isn't necessary. The current stance of the dev team trying to kind fo turn a blind eye to it while still keeping it against the TOS is what is allowing players pursuing savage and other raids to use it while prohibiting it's use in when it becomes in issue in other content, as long as the raiders at least make some attempt to keep it to themselves.

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I don't understand why players use ACT on low-end content either. It's honestly daft, especially the ones who choose to plug them into FFLogs... like... honeys... what's the point of knowing how much damage someone did on one single Normal Raid? There's no point, and FFLogs enabling it is just as dumb.

But if anyone is actively using ACT to harass you, then report them.

Raiders generally don't use it to harass, especially not players where massive performance isn't necessary. And even raiders who do it among themselves are really just opening themselves up for retaliation. So yes, if that happens to you, hammer 'em.

...that said, are you accusing raiders of actually doing it with proof to the point of it actually being so widespread? Or are you saying this in the fear that it might be used that way? Because the way this topic is dealt with by Square Enix, especially when it's used for harassment directly, is a good enough deterrant, it usually isn't a thing that actively happens. And when it does, it's reprehensible; even raiders agree. But idk your experience, are raiders really being so overt with using these tools to discriminate against you and people you know?

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I don't understand why players use ACT on low-end content either. It's honestly daft, especially the ones who choose to plug them into FFLogs... like... honeys... what's the point of knowing how much damage someone did on one single Normal Raid? There's no point, and FFLogs enabling it is just as dumb.

But if anyone is actively using ACT to harass you, then report them.

Raiders generally don't use it to harass, especially not players where massive performance isn't necessary. And even raiders who do it among themselves are really just opening themselves up for retaliation. So yes, if that happens to you, hammer 'em.

...that said, are you accusing raiders of actually doing it with proof to the point of it actually being so widespread? Or are you saying this in the fear that it might be used that way? Because the way this topic is dealt with by Square Enix, especially when it's used for harassment directly, is a good enough deterrant, it usually isn't a thing that actively happens. And when it does, it's reprehensible; even raiders agree. But idk your experience, are raiders really being so overt with using these tools to discriminate against you and people you know?

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Anecdotal experience and all that, but I've literally never seen anyone attempt to harass anyone about their ACT/FFLogs numbers in any content, much less dungeons and trials, and I've been playing since 2.1.

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Anecdotal experience and all that, but I've literally never seen anyone attempt to harass anyone about their ACT/FFLogs numbers in any content, much less dungeons and trials, and I've been playing since 2.1.

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Me neither, and I've been playing since 3.4. Not as long as you, but... pretty much, yeah.

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I don't understand why players use ACT on low-end content either. It's honestly daft, especially the ones who choose to plug them into FFLogs... like... honeys... what's the point of knowing how much damage someone did on one single Normal Raid? There's no point, and FFLogs enabling it is just as dumb.

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Perhaps to gauge themselves? I can absolutely see the point of using low-end content as practice for your rotation, see how well you can do in slightly more stressful situations that a Dummy doesn't provide, and see how well you can recover should you drop your flow.

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Perhaps to gauge themselves? I can absolutely see the point of using low-end content as practice for your rotation, see how well you can do in slightly more stressful situations that a Dummy doesn't provide, and see how well you can recover should you drop your flow.

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Oh I see. So it's like, because the training dummies and SSS don't have any mechanics or forced downtime, you plug those in to know if you're optimizing properly?

But you sure it's fine to do that? Raids are always super organized and people know how to align their buffs and whatnot. What you'll be parsing won't really be fair. If you haven't been getting proper buff alignment from your party, or if your AST singles you specifically and overfeeds you cards, won't the results be skewed? Considering, you know, you're also parsing randos. Randos you know won't be doing all that hot either :x

(You, in general, not you in specific)

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Speaking from personal experience... is literally to just improve wherever & whenever I could regardless of what job I play.

I remember when I was still very new and just realized how bad my performance was. I started small, from the easiest content and make my way higher as time passes by. Being able to see my own ### gave me the affirmations I need rather than resorting a feelycraft which are more likely to be biased than not. I want to know that I'm doing something -right-. It doesn't have to be perfect, but I also don't want a vague metric that is the enmity order list.

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There were only few times I remember seeing people giving away the fact that they're using one:

1. That one NIN I was paired (as a RDM) in Heroes' Gauntlet back in 5.3. Homie complimented "Crazy dps RDM!" and literally wrote my number in party chat after the healer and tanks left. It wasn't a sour encounter but part of me surprised they just out'ed themselves like that.
2. Late 5.5 when I was helping a friend into DRn grind. Somebody in the party asked "How's that WAR doing so much dps???", which prompts the rest of the members to ask how did he know and jokingly questions "What's my number? lol".
3. Early in 6.05 when I was farming e8s unsync'ed as an AST. Several wipes happened because the PF couldn't meet the dps check. The party disbanded after the tank mentioned "We're not going to skip LR guys, the AST is doing more than two of the DPSes :/" and nothing else. Just gone like that.
4. Same, in early 6.05 when panda normal first drops. The tank forces a group wipe and refuses any raises whenever somebody ignores pull timer. When somebody asks "is this barse?", they weren't shy to admit it was. This was the only sour encounter I ever had because I was tired that day and just want to get my weekly loot ASAP. One of the DPS purposely ignoring pull timer didn't help neither.

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Speaking from personal experience... is literally to just improve wherever & whenever I could regardless of what job I play.

I remember when I was still very new and just realized how bad my performance was. I started small, from the easiest content and make my way higher as time passes by. Being able to see my own ### gave me the affirmations I need rather than resorting a feelycraft which are more likely to be biased than not. I want to know that I'm doing something -right-. It doesn't have to be perfect, but I also don't want a vague metric that is the enmity order list.

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There were only few times I remember seeing people giving away the fact that they're using one:

1. That one NIN I was paired (as a RDM) in Heroes' Gauntlet back in 5.3. Homie complimented "Crazy dps RDM!" and literally wrote my number in party chat after the healer and tanks left. It wasn't a sour encounter but part of me surprised they just out'ed themselves like that.
2. Late 5.5 when I was helping a friend into DRn grind. Somebody in the party asked "How's that WAR doing so much dps???", which prompts the rest of the members to ask how did he know and jokingly questions "What's my number? lol".
3. Early in 6.05 when I was farming e8s unsync'ed as an AST. Several wipes happened because the PF couldn't meet the dps check. The party disbanded after the tank mentioned "We're not going to skip LR guys, the AST is doing more than two of the DPSes :/" and nothing else. Just gone like that.
4. Same, in early 6.05 when panda normal first drops. The tank forces a group wipe and refuses any raises whenever somebody ignores pull timer. When somebody asks "is this barse?", they weren't shy to admit it was. This was the only sour encounter I ever had because I was tired that day and just want to get my weekly loot ASAP. One of the DPS purposely ignoring pull timer didn't help neither.

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Yeah, that seems like a constructive use for it o:

Like I told VeyaAkemi, I don't know how much the fact you'd be with randoms that don't have the best optimization in mind would skew the results, but if that helped you do better, then it's a good thing :3

Nothing wrong with wanting to improve your gameplay in all areas of content. Fact is, most of the community is legitimately awful at the game. Regardless of content, your odds of success do increase noticeably if you are skilled enough to at least partially offset any bad players you group with.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Oh I see. So it's like, because the training dummies and SSS don't have any mechanics or forced downtime, you plug those in to know if you're optimizing properly?

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Pretty much. While there are gear differences to consider, I normally ran it casual/ex content to see how I stack up to others of the same class. Doing this helped me refine my game play.

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I don't understand why players use ACT on low-end content either. It's honestly daft, especially the ones who choose to plug them into FFLogs... like... honeys... what's the point of knowing how much damage someone did on one single Normal Raid? There's no point, and FFLogs enabling it is just as dumb.

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Some players just have ACT open for everything they do in a day, which includes casual content, and uploads them in bulk along with their raiding activities because it's simply easier.
If you see you were logged in a dungeon, it's most likely the reason. Almost nobody takes dungeon parsing seriously.
(Normal raids and alliance raids are a bit more popular to actually parse for reasons Rein already explained, even though it's still a niche usage)

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Yeah, that seems like a constructive use for it o:

Like I told VeyaAkemi, I don't know how much the fact you'd be with randoms that don't have the best optimization in mind would skew the results, but if that helped you do better, then it's a good thing :3

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In most cases, randoms can't impact all that much.
Because the most important part is how well you kept dot uptime/ uptime, if you kept your cooldowns on cooldown, if you managed to use your strong skills during buffs - and while a tank can screw a bit of melee uptime from time to time by being terrible at pulling the boss or someone could screw your caster uptime by standing on you with a mechanic and you have a choice between cancelling the cast and moving or dying, the overall impact is fairly low.
While the parse number itself can give you a rough overview, the analysis is the more important part.
If you walk out with a 40 on DNC because nobody managed to do more dps than the AST but have a really clean xiva, you played well. Doesn't matter if you got a shiny number for it or not, you did well.
I've seen ASTs walk out with an orange in savage clears where the entire group was single digit grey. What matters most is still your personal performance and the better you are at that, the less something like a tank pulling a boss poorly or someone trying to make you into roadkill with spreadmarkers will impact your dps.

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They're not wrong. This forum can be so, so reductive at times with their discussion, it's almost depressing to witness sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Like I told VeyaAkemi, I don't know how much the fact you'd be with randoms that don't have the best optimization in mind would skew the results, but if that helped you do better, then it's a good thing :3

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ACT and FFLogs don't just keep track of your raw numbers, that's just what the parser can show you on the fly, but it also logs input history, which FFLogs can make in an easily viewable format, this can be used to check your ability to keep your rotation going in stressful situations, regardless of the numbers you are actually outputting, the fact you didn't have Battle Litany or Dance Partner from your party will make your numbers tank, but that's probably not what you are looking for if you are looking to just practice.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I don't understand why players use ACT on low-end content either. It's honestly daft, especially the ones who choose to plug them into FFLogs... like... honeys... what's the point of knowing how much damage someone did on one single Normal Raid? There's no point, and FFLogs enabling it is just as dumb.

But if anyone is actively using ACT to harass you, then report them.

Raiders generally don't use it to harass, especially not players where massive performance isn't necessary. And even raiders who do it among themselves are really just opening themselves up for retaliation. So yes, if that happens to you, hammer 'em.

...that said, are you accusing raiders of actually doing it with proof to the point of it actually being so widespread? Or are you saying this in the fear that it might be used that way? Because the way this topic is dealt with by Square Enix, especially when it's used for harassment directly, is a good enough deterrant, it usually isn't a thing that actively happens. And when it does, it's reprehensible; even raiders agree. But idk your experience, are raiders really being so overt with using these tools to discriminate against you and people you know?

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I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs. My point is about parsers already being used outside of savage and people already unknowingly having their performance evaluated and published in content where it is absolutely unnecessary. It's also about the stance SE taking right now allows raiders to use tools to evaluate their performance as long as they are discreet while also allowing SE to take action against their use in content where performance is not as important.

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I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs.

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Contrary to popular belief most savage raiders couldn't care less about your logs. They might look at your clears if you're trying to prog a fight with a checkpoint like P8S (to check if you're not lying about having cleared part 1), or if you're joining a parse party but that's it. You're generally happy enough to see your clear or training party filled to bother kicking all the gray parsers (and for what gain? Good parses don't guarantee you won't fail at easy mechanics anyway.)

Your logs might be looked at if you're trying to apply for a static with previous savage experience but statics which accept complete beginners are common.

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I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs. My point is about parsers already being used outside of savage and people already unknowingly having their performance evaluated and published in content where it is absolutely unnecessary. It's also about the stance SE taking right now allows raiders to use tools to evaluate their performance as long as they are discreet while also allowing SE to take action against their use in content where performance is not as important.

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So you have not been harassed, but you feel like you will be? Thats not a good argument xD

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I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs. My point is about parsers already being used outside of savage and people already unknowingly having their performance evaluated and published in content where it is absolutely unnecessary. It's also about the stance SE taking right now allows raiders to use tools to evaluate their performance as long as they are discreet while also allowing SE to take action against their use in content where performance is not as important.

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As Kazhar and Bro said, they won't give a fudge about your logs and looking you up while the party fills unless

• you're joining a prog/ clear party for bosses with checkpoints to see if you cleared the door boss
• you're joining a parse party to see if you're ready to actively chase parses
• you're applying for a static with specific goals, e.g. midcore static, aiming to clear within the first month, wants to do one of the ultimates after everyone is BiS.
• the party keeps wiping to enrage even though mechanics are going really well

The latter is still fairly rare, though. More often than not, it's easier to just disband instead of looking through 7 profiles to identify the potential cause if they don't have ACT running to get the general idea.

I've done plenty of PF on alt classes or even on alt characters that didn't have a clear yet or any decent logs yet, bonus points if that char had a sprout/ returner icon. I've never been kicked or let alone harassed about my numbers.

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I have not been harassed but I have the feeling were I to attempt savage I would be for not having any savage logs first and then about the numbers already present on FFlogs. My point is about parsers already being used outside of savage and people already unknowingly having their performance evaluated and published in content where it is absolutely unnecessary. It's also about the stance SE taking right now allows raiders to use tools to evaluate their performance as long as they are discreet while also allowing SE to take action against their use in content where performance is not as important.

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Well, people have been explaining why they do so ever since I replied to you initially. You seemed to have skipped over those o: It doesn't seem to be "unimportant", there is a reason for it.

I recommend reading the previous page, so you listen directly from people who raid. They know their practices the best, so if anyone can tell you what happens vs what doesn't, it's them. No need to live in the fear of a possibility that likely won't happen.

Either way, those logs in non-raiding content will not be used against you. No one looks at those.
And even raiders who do look at raiding parses to welcome people do so in specific circumstances, namely when they're forming a group to do more than clear/farm a content. They'll check if your parses are good because their purpose is to get high parses, and that tends to be explicitly stated in PF. Otherwise, even hardcore raiders who do stuff in PF with randoms know they shouldn't expect excellence.

And any one who uses your parses against you so overtly is just risking a ban. At that point it's not a case of raider/casual, parser/non-parser. It's a case of extreme idiocy of their part xD

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It doesn't really help when most players aren't dumb enough to actually voice their grievances with another and instead just wordlessly remove them from the party so they have no grounds for punishment.

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You don't even need ACT for that. I had a Manalis run a couple of days ago where one of the DPS either had MASSIVE skill issues or was openly a bot. He would move into AoEs, wrote meaningless stuff in chat and would mostly autoattack the bosses.



There are millions of ways to see that someone is not pulling their weight without using ACT. Mainly through knowledge of that job, the rotation and the skill animations.

They don't need to add a program that detects it.... they just need to stop the flow out from the servers that people can read and put into ACT and the likes, SE just need to stop any combat logs pouring out other than saying what you from.

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they just need to stop the flow out from the servers that people can read and put into ACT and the likes

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Ah yes, all SE has to do is make an online game that doesn't use network packets. Brilliant! :V

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They're not wrong. This forum can be so, so reductive at times with their discussion, it's almost depressing to witness sometimes.

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I feel like this is the case only because of impression both games give.

WoW has a cartoony, jagged and wonky art style while the races are ultimately fugly barbarians.
Of course you expect negativity pouring from all those ugly mouths like you would from trailer trash people.

FFXIV has a pretty, slick aesthetic while all races look well groomed and fair.
The fact that they start spewing same kind of vitrol is a jarring contrast.

The toxicity of the both forums is more or less equal.
FFXIV is just more noticable because it comes from pretty mouths.

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Ah yes, all SE has to do is make an online game that doesn't use network packets. Brilliant! :V

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Encryption of the data does exist as a feature as for packets and the likes.

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Encryption of the data does exist as a feature as for packets and the likes.

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The client still needs to decrypt them into a readable format.

Since I can’t understand crap about pcs, had to read what else such a program would impact, so yeah definitely against.

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Encryption of the data does exist as a feature as for packets and the likes.

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They would have to rebuild practically the entire engine to make this work, not to mention the servers and several other things. It would require a significant investment of time, manpower, and resources. SE has none of these three things at the moment.

Reddit :

Bad choice:

Has a downvote feature that is MASSIVELY abused, which also has a cute little timout mechanism that SILENCES you whilst you are dogpiled. HOW DARE YOU disagree with me??? Ill downvote you until it shuts you up

Reddit is a hivemind, dare to have a contrary opinion and that cute little centre of "enlightened discussion" will slap a gag on your mouth that wont allow you to respond whilst you are reviled, belittled, insulted and sworn at. The mods that run the subreddits arent any better and run their areas like dictators.

Fair? Balanced? REDDIT??

NO.

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and Discord are far better communities.

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Run by mods who will silence, kick and ban you for spurious reasons.

Sorry, no.