Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

i am totally against it. viera are 100% kitty race with longer ears, period.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Going to other threads doesn't end that, it just ends debate. What ends circular arguments is facts and reason, and actually listening to facts and reason. There has been a lot of emotion and bias involved in this debate, especially from the pro-viera crowd (to the point of dismissing quotes and evidence entirely), and that is the cause of circular arguments. To be fair though, I didn't expect anything less than what amounts to simply a Viera circle jerk thread.

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Now now, let's not pretend to have some sort of moral high ground. Both sides have spoken with facts and reason just as both sides have spoken with emotion and irrational abrasion. There is just as much emotion and bias in the anti-viera crowd as the pro.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

Now now, let's not pretend to have some sort of moral high ground. Both sides have spoken with facts and reason just as both sides have spoken with emotion and irrational abrasion. There is just as much emotion and bias in the anti-viera crowd as the pro.

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You are correct, perhaps I was overzealous to generalise, however, I am basing it on my own personal experience especially in the last few pages of the thread. Either way, I apologise, and clarify that forum debate among lots of different people is not black and white.

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Originally Posted by savageink

Seriously? Your argument is that animating emotions on a non-human is a budgetary concern? Lol! As for non-humans being animated with emotional impact, watch a Pixar movie.

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Heh, why should I? I enjoy playing a game where they cater to a certain aesthetic that i enjoy. They actually, activly make a attempts to further many of the things you and many of those against Viera bring up so much.

In game marriages.

http://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/...al_bond_03.jpg

In game item rewards.

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...d47ab5ebab.jpg

Continued in game animation additions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_vK9LYGw7g

https://aywren.files.wordpress.com/2...ance.gif?w=840

https://68.media.tumblr.com/8501a40d...es1oo1_400.gif

We may not have Viera yet, but SE knows their fanbase. This isn't WoW where every armor set has shoulder pads that takes up 70% of a characters visual representation, and look like the pinnacle of N64 graphics. This isn't a game world/ environment where the options to play as Orcs, Goblins, Minotaurs, Trolls (despite admirable attempts), Wearwolves, Kobolds, ect... exist. It's not a bad thing to want but not sensible to want it in a place that continues to move in the opposite direction.

I don't have to watch a pixar movie, because im fine playing FFXIV for my enjoyment, it's not a question of whether or not they can, but why should they? It doesn't fit the established lore, world, narrative, or evidence established by continued rising player base.

By all means continue to deny that Viera could and would fit in Hydalen, continue to claim this opposition in a support thread is discussion, it doesn't change the facts. FFXIV is made with a certain visual appeal, AuRa were the answer they felt to the "demand" of a "beastly" race, Viera have been wanted by many players since FFXI, many of them now play FFXIV, of which much of the races mirror. They have a design all their own not like other games, that is large part of the games appeal. Why change the formula now?

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I don't have to watch a pixar movie, because im fine playing FFXIV for my enjoyment, it's not a question of whether or not they can, but why should they? It doesn't fit the established lore, world, narrative, or evidence established by continued rising player base.

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First, they couldn't animate non-humans to show emotions, then it was too much work to animate them, now it's why bother? Like the others said, why bother adding any at all? There are no Viera lurking in Ul'dah anywhere, I haven't seen any mentions of long eared humanoids in game. The lore you are referencing is from completely different games. Adding any race human or otherwise will require adding them to the lore of this one. Just like any non-human races they were thinking about pulling. It would be more honest just to say you like Viera and want them, then to tell others they can't disagree or like others. No matter what the title of this is, posting in a discussion forum is going to get opposing views.

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Originally Posted by savageink

First, they couldn't animate non-humans to show emotions, then it was too much work to animate them, now it's why bother? Like the others said, why bother adding any at all? There are no Viera lurking in Ul'dah anywhere, I haven't seen any mentions of long eared humanoids in game. The lore you are referencing is from completely different games. Adding any race human or otherwise will require adding them to the lore of this one. Just like any non-human races they were thinking about pulling. It would be more honest just to say you like Viera and want them, then to tell others they can't disagree or like others. No matter what the title of this is, posting in a discussion forum is going to get opposing views.

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Whoa there Kitten, i never said they couldn't. I was not referencing any specific lore in my race run down, only providing examples of beastly races since my asking for examples went unanswered. Next never have i tried to hide i wanted Viera in this game hence the reason i an posting in a Viera support thread. Lastly in so far as Auri being mentioned before introduction, as far i know only the Odin minion makes reference to them, from that one mention we have AuRa (please prove me wrong, i love lore and would enjoy the read. Seriously no sarcasm.) before Yugiri ever "stepped foot" on Erozea.

Lore of another region, a forgotten parallel world, a secret society is not so hard to implement, nor is it as resource consuming as animating a nearly unused player race for the sake of "diverse options". What was expanded upon in 2.0 was simply what FFXI never got around to doing, Kitten.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Whoa there Kitten, i never said they couldn't. I was not referencing any specific lore in my race run down, only providing examples of beastly races since my asking for examples went unanswered. Next never have i tried to hide i wanted Viera in this game hence the reason i an posting in a Viera support thread. Lastly in so far as Auri being mentioned before introduction, as far i know only the Odin minion makes reference to them, from that one mention we have AuRa (please prove me wrong, i love lore and would enjoy the read. Seriously no sarcasm.) before Yugiri ever "stepped foot" on Erozea.

Lore of another region, a forgotten parallel world, a secret society is not so hard to implement, nor is it as resource consuming as animating a nearly unused player race for the sake of "diverse options". What was expanded upon in 2.0 was simply what FFXI never got around to doing, Kitten.

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So, Meat Puppet. Animating a different race from viera, would be more work then viera. Adding lore for a different race from viera would be ...pretty much the same as viera since they do not currently exist in game. I don't see it. And I stand by the opinion that thier ears are awkward looking, which is probably why they did horns instead, Meat Puppet. ;)

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Originally Posted by savageink

So, Meat Puppet. Animating a different race from viera, would be more work then viera. Adding lore for a different race from viera would be ...pretty much the same as viera since they do not currently exist in game. I don't see it. And I stand by the opinion that thier ears are awkward looking, which is probably why they did horns instead, Meat Puppet. ;)

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See, now i just feel you're thinking dirty thoughts Kitten.

You are entitled to your opinion no denying that, but what you can see (and choose to ignore) really have little bearing on the trends and direction i outlined earlier, trends the dev team show no signs stopping, Kitten.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

See, now i just feel you're thinking dirty thoughts Kitten.

You are entitled to your opinion no denying that, but what you can see (and choose to ignore) really have little bearing on the trends and direction i outlined earlier, trends the dev team show no signs stopping, Kitten.

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OK...this big argument now is that the devs will make Viera because they do things players request? Even though they already rejected it once? I just can't see them doing a rabbit themed expansion. Au ra came with the dragons and flying and scale mail theme of the HW expansion. You might get some steampunk cyber people if they are going to Garlemand...or whatever that place is called, Meat Puppet.

Edit: Oh, I know. If the swimming thing goes over well maybe they'll give us mer-people. What do ya think, Meat Puppet?

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Lore of another region, a forgotten parallel world, a secret society is not so hard to implement, nor is it as resource consuming as animating a nearly unused player race for the sake of "diverse options". What was expanded upon in 2.0 was simply what FFXI never got around to doing, Kitten.

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It'd be pretty bad storytelling and a poor excuse to add them, though. Out of the three things you listed, only the first would make the most sense and that would probably not be something to expect until 6.0 (since 5.0 is going into Garlean territory, we'd have seen a Viera since the beginning of ARR. Some Viera are wanderers, so to not expect a few to be captured and indoctrinated by the Empire and be a part of their invading army is silly). The other two just raise "why would they bother revealing themselves now?" arguments. A forgotten parallel world can't work due to Hydaelyn being too weak to hide anything and if it were the Viera hiding themselves... then why would they decide to no longer do that and suddenly have a bunch of them running around? This applies to the 'secret society,' as well. You don't want to be known, so why suddenly have a bunch of your secret people running about the place?

I'm against it. Viera are boring and ridiculous.
I really hope the devs don't implement them. This game is already too kawaiiii D:
If we need a new race, then please a more serious and/or beastly one.

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Originally Posted by Mishari

I'm against it. Viera are boring and ridiculous.
I really hope the devs don't implement them. This game is already too kawaiiii D:
If we need a new race, then please a more serious and/or beastly one.

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So, you are saying that Viera are boring and ridiculous while playing a race that is basically a "cat" Viera?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by savageink

OK...this big argument now is that the devs will make Viera because they do things players request? Even though they already rejected it once? I just can't see them doing a rabbit themed expansion. Au ra came with the dragons and flying and scale male theme of the HW expansion. You might get some steampunk cyber people if they are going to Garlemand...or whatever that place is called, Meat Puppet.

Edit: Oh, I know. If the swimming thing goes over well maybe they'll give us mer-people. What do ya think, Meat Puppet?

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Now see kitten you keep saying meat puppet and all i can think is you don't claws big enough to play with it. (try meat bag, sounds funnier and less easy to make jokes about. just don't go meat popsicle cause that'll be a whole new Ball game)

As for the meat of the argument (ha!), yes i do feel with enough fan support Viera can still be a possibility. There are plenty of fans who want it, and interest has stayed strong even before rumors of Ivalice in FFXIV, or FFXII being remade and re-released. Also as much as the AuRa look like it, lore wise they are more tied to demons than dragons (something i hope is explored in Stormblood, need to check your facts there Kitten).

In regards to *ahem* "Cyber people" i had a thought on a genetically engineered race of hybrids made from political prisoners of full blood Garlean origin in a mad experiment to allow them to use magic. This in turn would capture the attention of Espers long hidden in a pocket universe to rescue them and take them as their own. Giving them a new lease on life away from their own people who would have exploited them(ala FFVI). The true Espers would have organic leylines etched in there bodies and be a peaceful though ronkus race of good natured individuals, large of frame and powerfully built (less so than Roegadyn but larger than Highlanders). The experiments or exiles would have more angular leylines, aggressive and scar like, while also of the Esper race(adopted) they would mistrustful and more of those not of the Espers and as such quick to anger. The leylines would glow in battle and be customizable in color (tied to hair). In form they would resemble Garleans as we see them now. The point of them would be two fold.

As they would be of one race but varying body structures (Hyur), it would show a clear propensity as to the more desired of the race builds/ aesthetics. Second it would call back to a race only featured in FFVI that was in my opinion very interesting as well as show a darker and as such more serious side to Garlemald ( aside form the subjugation, rape, murder, genocide, ect...).

As for Mer-people, i can't say they have much appeal to me. Would they have lower resistance to fire , higher resistance to water? How would they be animated on current mounts? Would they wear the same lower half armor we use or would it have to be remade/ refitted to there bones(animated frame work)? Also there's the issue of the afore mentioned dance emotes... Idk seems a little too fishy for my taste.

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

So, you are saying that Viera are boring and ridiculous while playing a race that is basically a "cat" Viera?
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Boring because we already have similar races.
Ridiculus because... people with bunny ears. oO
Cat ears are ok though. :P

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Originally Posted by starLivitation

i am totally against it. viera are 100% kitty race with longer ears, period.

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Okay, so let's assume they are exactly the same thing with different accents.

A race is another OPTION. Another way to express themselves. You can feel negatively about the input, but you need to bring something else to the table.

Saying your against it means you don't want it implemented and without addressing a substitute means you want to just want to deny people something they want because you feel it's unnecessary.

I'm down for discussion, I don't generally follow threads and know people offered ideas but some of them have already been formed in square' s own interpretation of it.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Now see kitten you keep saying meat puppet and all i can think is you don't claws big enough to play with it. (try meat bag, sounds funnier and less easy to make jokes about. just don't go meat popsicle cause that'll be a whole new Ball game)

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You sound like a Puppet to me. Bye Meat Puppet.

Mmm, if Miqo'te look like Viera then wouldn't that mean Roe, Elezen and Lalafell are just long and skinny, beefy and wide, and short and cute versions of Hyur? So why not add another animal Hyur race; at least they seem more unique looking to me instead of adding another simple proportionality different Hyur. :/

Even if some of you don't like Viera, some of us do and would love to see it added in game. How about the people who are against Viera try to think of a "better race" they'd like to see added in-game that would actually be considered? :D Because we all know we'll never get a none humanoid race added no matter how long or much we ask. XD

At least Viera seems popluar enough with people to still be possibly added. :)

Because some of us know the race will be downgraded into the most basic of Hyur blobs currently available (and to be fair, Roegadyn and Lalafell are currently the most visually unique races in the game. Lalafell for obvious reasons and Roegadyn for their massive arms and hands. Seriously, have you really looked at a male Roegadyn recently? Their forearms and hands are huge!). We also know that Beastmen-type races will never be playable due to lore and gear design reasons.

Hybrids of existing races is probably the best bet in regards to 'new races.' A female Au Radyn could probably satisfy the players who wanted a more fierce looking Au Ra female. A Lalagadyn (Roegafell?) male would also satisfy players who want a short and stocky dwarf type character.

Hear the word:
bring us Viera race!
For you and for me
And the entire player base.
There are... people crying
If you care enough for our begging.
Make a Viera race for you and for me.

... /moonwalk

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

A race is another OPTION. Another way to express themselves

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That's a preeeetty expensive piece of content for it to be nothing but that. I seriously don't think people realise (or rather refuse to acknowledge) how many resources it would take to implement Viera in 5.0 and beyond. Every single armour set from 2.0 to 5.0 would need to be recreated (twice) and from then on gear would need to be modelled for 14 skeletons instead of 12, that's a massive (permenant) load on resources. That's why it is very unlikely that we will get any other race, and the lack of one in 4.0 shows that. When you add half the communities AND Yoshi Ps thoughts into the mix, I get extremely sick of "Viera confirmed" because there would need to be some seriously solid evidence within game (more than return to ivalice) to convince a huge chunk of players that Viera is even something the devs would consider at this point, and I feel like too many players on this thread are setting themselves up for disappointment.

EDIT: before anyone says "but WoW does it", WoW handles armour very differently to XIV, and the gear stretches and distorts based on race. There's a reason why it is the only real example, XI, GW2, wildstar, and many many other MMOs do not bring out new races, period, and the dev team may have likely learned why and followed suit after au ra

Do you really think they put much thought/work on resizing gear for roegadyn or elezen?
The new race itself would bring enough new people to the game that it would pay for itself.

The fact that Yoshida said "if you want a new race let us know and we'll consider it" already shows that the money to create it isn't the issue.

Please find a better excuse.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Do you really think they put much thought/work on resizing gear for roegadyn or elezen?
The new race itself would bring enough new people to the game that it would pay for itself.

The fact that Yoshida said "if you want a new race let us know and we'll consider it" already shows that the money to create it isn't the issue.

Please find a better excuse.

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Would it? I think you are overestimating how many people want it, the majority of the community is extremely indifferent.

Also... seriously? Don't you see how much work goes into resizing gear?
Each piece needs to be resized and fitted to avoid clipping as best as possible, animations need to be tested and so on. With two new jobs, the amount of gear variation goes up even more, and adding a new race is a HUGE undertaking, to put it into perspective: imagine there are 60 new gear sets in stormblood (5 levelling sets * 7 gear types, 15 AF gear, 7 NM raid gear, 7 SVG raid gear), now times that by 6, one for each race, that is 360 unique pieces of gear, now times that by two because of M/F differences, that is 720 unique pieces of gear. That is what we currently have for 4.0 alone.

If you add in Viera, that number goes up to 896 unique gear packages that need to be designed, WITHOUT including needing to create two extra versions of every piece of gear from 2.0-3.55 (I can't begin to imagine how many that is), and even if that was done, they would need to add two extra gear packages for every piece of gear from then on. So yeah, I do think a lot of thought/work goes into resizing gear to fit new races.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Would it? I think you are overestimating how many people want it, the majority of the community is extremely indifferent.

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Yet it had more support than an au ra/reptilian race in the official poll. So, I dispute your claim with official facts. But even if you don't want to believe official polls Yoshida's quote about wanting to hear what new race we want already puts the not enough money excuse to rest. It's just not an excuse that works, unless you're going to say Yoshida is lying.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Yet it had more support than an au ra/reptilian race in the official poll. So, I dispute your claim with official facts. But even if you don't want to believe official polls Yoshida's quote about wanting to hear what new race we want already puts the not enough money excuse to rest. It's just not an excuse that works, unless you're going to say Yoshida is lying.

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No, I'm going to believe the comment where Yoshi P didn't want Viera. Also, that poll is from 2012, a little outdated don't you think? For the sake of keeping information current, you should cite your sources from after Au ra was released. In 2012 the devs had no idea what implementing a new race would be like from a development side, and their entire philosophy and attitude has likely changed (like with almost every aspect of the game).

The poll you are referring to: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

I'm not the one with excuses, the fact is that 4.0 didn't get a new race so I feel safe with my speculation, you are the one that needs to justify your claims with current, relevant sources, because there has been no mention of Viera since before 3.0 came out.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Yet it had more support than an au ra/reptilian race in the official poll. So, I dispute your claim with official facts. But even if you don't want to believe official polls Yoshida's quote about wanting to hear what new race we want already puts the not enough money excuse to rest. It's just not an excuse that works, unless you're going to say Yoshida is lying.

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One thing that people seem to gloss over about that poll was the fact that it was an opinionated poll. In that it was a query in finding out what the player base had hopes of seeing. No where in that poll did it say "What will we add next?" or "What should we add next?" or "The next race shall/will be!"

Word for word "What type of race or clan would you most like to see added in the future?"

Just because it has not been added yet does not mean it won't be. Still plenty of future left in this game.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Hear the word:
bring us Viera race!
For you and for me
And the entire player base.
There are... people crying
If you care enough for our begging.
Make a Viera race for you and for me.

... /moonwalk

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@lambda

Okay but where is the substitute plan?

Work is work but removing possible content with no substance still doesn't validate your opinion.

Like I said, you can feel freely about how you want, but this is a SUPPORT thread. Not a "why this shouldn't be a thing." Post.

If you wanna offer a replacement, that's fine but if not you're just impeding on a dream that doesn't belong to you, nor interrupts your lifestyle or game experience.

As for content creators, who are you to mandate what they should and shouldn't do? If they decide to do it, they're going to do it. It's their job. They want to promote the content they make and hopefully make an impact on the PLAYERS for their ENJOYMENT.

I dont get why there is such an argument over Viera being added. Obviously a lot of people want it. I absolutely love the initial (non-cute) concept art, which isn't anything like the miqo'te given the limbs.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3g2sq4GS1F...600/jaxxon.jpg

This guy is what I think of...

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

Work is work but removing possible content with no substance still doesn't validate your opinion.

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This is kinda misconstruing what I said. I'm not saying that the possibility should be removed because it has no substance (glamour is true endgame after all), I'm saying that the work is so great that it would actively take away from other pieces of content (most likely the amount of gear sets that the dev team is able to make), and I am wondering if the sacrifice is worth the effort.

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

If you wanna offer a replacement, that's fine but if not you're just impeding on a dream that doesn't belong to you, nor interrupts your lifestyle or game experience.

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I'm sorry? Am I not allowed to post feedback and discussion for the devs to listen to? I haven't actually impeded on the dreams of many people in this thread, I think it is fine to want Viera, but when people are actively assuming that pieces of content mean that Viera is happening, spreading misinformation about the dev teams views, and being toxic towards anyone who disagrees with their "Viera or riot" mentality, then I am going to respond. Though since you asked so nicely.....

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

Okay but where is the substitute plan?

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Substitute plan: Ok, so the entire problem with adding new races is the race model, and fitting gear to it, so the natural way to eliminate problems is additional character creation options, and new clans. I had an idea yesterday about a "wight lalafell" that natively has a skin tone and hair colour of a duskwight elezen or xaela Au ra, with eyes that glow a customisable colour. The reason I thought of this is that through this race you can give your lala dark blue skin and yellow eyes and become a true BLM. The point is that this is a new, fairly unique race that wouldn't cause skeletal problems.

If you want to go down the Viera route though, you could have beast-like roegadyn, with the males being inspired by galkas, and the females being inspired by Viera (without the ears). What could then happen is the dev team brings out the fran hairstyle for roes (and potentially all races), and a new headpiece called "Viera ears". Functionally you can create a Viera from all of these components without all of the problems that come with adding a new race in its entirety.

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

Like I said, you can feel freely about how you want, but this is a SUPPORT thread. Not a "why this shouldn't be a thing." Post.

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It goes both ways, I'm allowed to have an opinion, and by shutting down half of the argument then you are denying me the option to care about the game. I don't actually have an issue with Viera, I have an issue with Viera being a huge strain on resources, and what I see from this thread is the community forcing the devs hand (Viera or riot etc.) on something that is going to be a huge amount of work and it makes me sad that we can't just let the devs create the game based on what is feasible and what they want to create (example: they can't design anything around Ivalice without Viera being mentioned, people here have said that they will be angry if Viera isn't in RtI, despite Viera having little to do with FFT that the raid is based on). I'm not stepping on the toes of support, I'm giving a much needed reality check to a certain demographic of Viera supporters.

You know, I really have no interest in responding to you now. You quote me, dodge my post, talk about misconstruing a response, and then write a wall of text.

Good luck finding purpose and respect.

A hybrid race could also work, probably. We know it's possible (Hilda), so not a whole lot of lore needs to be made for them and SE can get away with "reusing" skeletons to some extent (though an Au Radyn female and Roegafell male would be interesting to see. Far more interesting than a Viera).

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I don't actually have an issue with Viera, I have an issue with Viera being a huge strain on resources, and what I see from this thread is the community forcing the devs hand.

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I understand where you're coming from with the concern about resources needed to make a race but that is, ultimately, the dev teams choice. Nothing we on the forums will ultimately force them to do anything. However, IF the dev team DOES decide to make a new race in the future, we are here expressing that we would like it to be the Viera. We know their original reason for going with Au Ra for the new race, they just liked it more and thought it would be better for diversity. However, they also left the door open for discussion which is why we are here discussing it. If they hadn't said 'let us know' we probably wouldn't be as hopeful.

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Originally Posted by Harukochi

You know, I really have no interest in responding to you now. You quote me, dodge my post, talk about misconstruing a response, and then write a wall of text.

Good luck finding purpose and respect.

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I'm not sure how you want me to respond then, your post suggests that you didn't read the wall of text. I don't even know what you think my opinion is based on how you responded, I'll give you a clue, its not that I hate Viera. I responded taking into account the additional substance that you wanted (which I gave), and the way you responded here is just downright rude and counterproductive to the discussion. If thats the way you discuss and debate, then I have no interest in engaging with you either :)

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

I understand where you're coming from with the concern about resources needed to make a race but that is, ultimately, the dev teams choice. Nothing we on the forums will ultimately force them to do anything. However, IF the dev team DOES decide to make a new race in the future, we are here expressing that we would like it to be the Viera. We know their original reason for going with Au Ra for the new race, they just liked it more and thought it would be better for diversity. However, they also left the door open for discussion which is why we are here discussing it. If they hadn't said 'let us know' we probably wouldn't be as hopeful.

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Oh, yeah, thats my fault for not clarifying, I should have put "attempting to force the devs hand", because I trust the devs to acknowledge the work, and I fully believe that we are not getting any more new races due to feasibility, the lack of one in 4.0 gives credit to that. The thing about saying "let us know" is that Yoshi P does that with most topics, he wants (wanted - this was said 2 years ago and hasn't been mentioned since) people talking, and it seems that 4.0 gave us the results of that.

Again, I'll reiterate, I don't mind people wanting Viera, I don't mind people supporting Viera. I have been very selective about the posts I disagree with, and they are the ones spreading misinformation, and acting like Viera is happening, and/or being toxic to anyone that disagrees with the idea.

NAY I say! NAY! What we need is a cute and smol fox race!

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I have been very selective about the posts I disagree with, and they are the ones spreading misinformation, and acting like Viera is happening, and/or being toxic to anyone that disagrees with the idea.

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I don't think all the posts you disagree with have been ones spreading misinformation, acting like viera is happening, and/or being toxic to anyone that disagrees with the idea. Some of us just don't agree with your ideas/suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I don't think all the posts you disagree with have been ones spreading misinformation, acting like viera is happening, and/or being toxic to anyone that disagrees with the idea. Some of us just don't agree with your ideas/suggestions.

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Oh for sure, I have had other discussions within this thread, talking about Ivalice as series, and expanding upon ideas, but that isn't disagreement as such, simply contributing to the discussion.

http://orig03.deviantart.net/4032/f/...id-d57ixpe.jpg

Viera please!

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Originally Posted by Mishari

I'm against it. Viera are boring and ridiculous.

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While not an oxymoron by definition, it's impressive for something to simultaneously be boring *and* ridiculous. Which makes it boring, ridiculous, and impressive, which is even more impressive for carrying these traits.

It'd be nice, you'll have my support if I can have fair skin -option.

Think I remember hearing something about "Feol" sub-branch?