FFXIV population decline continues

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

A lot of casuals have different reasons for remaining subbed, as honestly it covers such a gigantic area of the game, from people that enjoy story, to people that enjoy the social element, to people doing content from several expansions ago because the game offered nothing, or just people remaining subbed for connections on this game and housing.

Honestly, no given group of players should be treated in the manner which you're suggesting, it's a good way to turn this game to garbage as it isn't just casuals that benefit from the developers adding casual content in the game. Arguably hardcore players benefit just as much, and if you wanted to treat it on a completely reactional basis, e.g., "Oh don't develop any casual content until x number of casuals are gone" then you would be looking at a game with far far longer patch cycles than what we currently have. If all casual players, even by a generous estimate of 70% were to only sub for 1 month across an entire expansion cycle then this game would actually struggle to push content out without being a lot more aggressive on the Mogstation and potentially delving into more objective P2W elements.

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It's about "giving feedback to SE"

If you sub without content being available for you then you say to yoshi "the content is good, keep going"

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Originally Posted by Lilapop

casuals stayed subbed.

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Well dont expect more content if you have already enough content to keep you sub

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Does that mean that SE have to add even harder content to make it "hardcore"?
If people consider Savage Midcore.

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HC raider usually do everything above/equal ex or savage so to my mind there is enough content for us

2 ultimates
7 ex
12 savage turn
3 criterions
3 chaotic raid ?
a deep dungeon

+ all the "chill" content like dungeons/variant or alliance raid

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Which isn't the entire active playerbase. You can read what they are able to import. Which makes your post rolling your eyes and using an achievement tracker to defend your point off-base to the point you believe you were making.

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it's a large number it's enough to give an idea

take or leav 3-4%

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

It's about "giving feedback to SE"

If you sub without content being available for you then you say to yoshi "the content is good, keep going"

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I would pretty much say the same thing.
That the active numbers of players/subs drop over the span of an expansion is normal and no developer would react to it as "omg, people are leaving".
It's only when that curve takes a drastic nosedive in a short timespan that it will cause an alarm and possible actions from the developers.

And yes, people are very vocal about this expansion.
But when have people not complained about something?
SE is aware of this for sure, no questions about that.
But looking at the numbers of players it's not like they will drop everything to fix it since things are still within the scale of "the normal curve".

Mao nots concerned whats other peoples do. Mao quit game because game no longer funs for Mao. Is really all there is to it. Mao suggests everyones take hard look at whether or not thems still enjoy playing. If game still funs for thems, then keep playing and no worry about whats others do.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I would pretty much say the same thing.
That the active numbers of players/subs drop over the span of an expansion is normal and no developer would react to it as "omg, people are leaving".
It's only when that curve takes a drastic nosedive in a short timespan that it will cause an alarm and possible actions from the developers.

And yes, people are very vocal about this expansion.
But when have people not complained about something?
SE is aware of this for sure, no questions about that.
But looking at the numbers of players it's not like they will drop everything to fix it since things are still within the scale of "the normal curve".

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People are vocal, but not vocal enough to actually... do anything but complain on the forums Yoshi P more likely than not barely reads.

Everytime (twice) I have contacted Square Enix store support (merch and stuff) they have sent me a proper satisfaction survey.
I wish they cared that much about how happy I am with their game. What's the point in a great store experience, to keep me coming back, when your game means I will 'not' be coming back.
That select your reason for cancelling sub question is useless. I don't. see how they can formulate strategy based on that.
They really ought to put some effort in to capture the reasons in a way that gives them a chance on having something to act on.
I would by now expect the cancel questionnaire to reflect dune if the things I have seen time and again here.
Or maybe even a 'may we contact you to follow this up?'

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Originally Posted by Lilapop

People are vocal, but not vocal enough to actually... do anything but complain on the forums Yoshi P more likely than not barely reads.

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I'm thinking about how the Healer strike was quite vocal and even got attention outside of FFXIV on gaming news and such.
Has anything come of that since then?
I've not been paying much attention to it, but I haven't noticed anything so if that didn't get any traction (yet) then I doubt people being vocal on the forum alone will bring anything.

People really have to start unsubscribing in masses before SE takes notice of how serious people think it is.
Until people do it will just look like people complain but don't think the game is actually "that" bad to actually not play it.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Mao nots concerned whats other peoples do. Mao quit game because game no longer funs for Mao. Is really all there is to it. Mao suggests everyones take hard look at whether or not thems still enjoy playing. If game still funs for thems, then keep playing and no worry about whats others do.

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Forums won't be the same without you :(