Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I mean considering that the majority of the people here have conveyed that they took you seriously on the monster post, then yes lol. You can't get miffed at people for taking it seriously on a thread based on frustration and go "it's obviously sarcasm and hyberbole!" it's just not going to be seen that way.

Also, I did make a post yesterday agreeing that there needs to be way more transparency. I get that a person could know who reported them, but a middle ground needs to be found. It's not ok to leave you hanging in the dark, and SE did you dirty for that. I think(?) the monster quote was nuked and since I had that quoted, it unfortunately deleted my post as well kek.

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I would think that in many cases a GM could just say something like "You have a long running history (having consulted logs) of doing X." In which case no specific incident is discussed. There is no way in that case to identify who reported. For all you know it could have been a series of reports over possibly months or years that they have just reached the tipping point with.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

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That is called an example of something that would constitute as a violation that someone might otherwise consider themselves just playing the game. Arguably with both the report and the action carried out on your account it was fairly agreed upon that what you have done did constitute as an account violation. See, amongst all the things you could have done to vent you insisted that you've done nothing wrong, then gone on to say "Well how I behave on here isn't necessarily how I present myself in-game" All the way up to "People just don't like how I word things"

I might have actually been inclined to join your little venting crusade if it were underpinned by the reasoning that you don't think it is justifiable that they can sanction you without giving you an avenue formally at the same time where you can try and dispute the decision, or an avenue with which to see the logs associated with the decision making, of which there is (DSAR). Instead of being insistent that you were innocent and that the community are just babies that like being coddled through everything. Inarguably you're more upset and have put more effort into this vent than the person did in actually reporting you.

I'm glad you liked the rationalisation of it. Because it's true. If you breach the ToS it shows an unwillingness to act appropriately and thus someone reporting you is doing a civil service by ensuring that you're deterred from repeating the mistake (That is if you reflect on your own actions) - P.S I saw that little ninja edit. In response to saying you'll use it as justification whenever you report someone. To that end I wish you all the best in your endeavours of fighting the good fight and doing the selfsame thing that you bashed people for in your original post.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

This user has an attitude in the forums, refuses to perform their job functions when other people mess up because its their fault, vows revenge about becoming a monster and going on a reporting spree. It's not hard to imagine why they would eventually get caught by the GMs even if they behave in the most subtle of manners in game. All I get from them is resentment and anger plus an overall jadedness with the game and its casual playerbase, the one SE is most interested in keeping.

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I never stated I refused to do anything. I don't know why people keep saying I did. I even gave context on what I meant with "their fault" earlier, yet still I keep seeing this. It's odd. Oh I don't hide my 'jadedness' with this game and many in it's playerbase, but the funny thing is.. I consider myself a casual player! I do not think "casual" means bad. I don't know why someone has to be 'hardcore' to read what their skills do, or follow mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

We are nothing but peons here for your agenda of trying to make the company look bad for something they did that you don't agree with.

It is also pretty clear here your intention isn't to find empathy as much as it is to punish the company with negative PR because they dared to warn you. Just ugh... Go appeal and if that fails, since multiple parties have reviewed it at that point just acknowledge that maybe you slipped up and you are not the blameless paragon you claim to be. SE cleaned up one bad GM for banning people they shouldn't so they have a good record of being impartial when bans are appealed. They are not intentionally out against their own paying customers. I can tell you that.

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Excuse me, what?! This is a vent thread. Literally. Oh.my.God. ??????????????????

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I think(?) the monster quote was nuked and since I had that quoted, it unfortunately deleted my post as well kek.

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No way! Are you serious?! Someone reported my ridiculous post and the mods deleted it? Oh, the irony. Lol.

So people finally reported you enough for refusing to press a single healing GCD as WHM, blaming them for you needing to heal in the first place?

I don't understand why you're so surprised.

I suggest you go SGE, you won't have to press GCD heals on that - at least not remotely as often.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As a general rule I *highly* advise to not display one's main character on the forums, and to instead display a lesser used alt in order to protect from in-game harassment. I have no doubt that given my strong opinions on Summoner there are at least a few individuals who would jump at the chance to confront me about it in game, when I'd much rather be focused on crafting/gathering etc when I'm not in instanced battle content. I do not want to deal with it, plain and simple.

(On another note, FFXIV twitter is...quite an experience. Besides more widespread general takes like "X is a cool addition" "agreed" I tend not to engage with users who are there to be negative or to complain about things that aren't particularly pressing issues, like if FFXIV will ever come to xbox or attacking people for liking villains because they have X quality they don't like)

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Seconded. Plus if like me you're a regular fantasia user, it takes care of that too.

I've not encountered any issues personally, but I don't regret keeping my accounts across various sites separate, especially since I've noticed e.g. on reddit some people get tilted over even the most minor of disagreements. Thankfully both there and on Twitter, blocking works a charm.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

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I mean, they might not actually be reporting you out of spite- which is what a large chunk of us are trying to tell you. Certain things you have claimed to do are specifically AGAINST the ToS. I have bolded some of it for your reference.

Your stance has been "I have done nothing wrong" and really should be "If I did something wrong, I will try to not do those things from now on".

It's really not hard to look up the ToS and specifically see what could be the problem.

ToS:
(link: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1)

Intentional leaving or disconnection:
(This is a little bit more open, since it's not clear if it only applies to actual DC or just leaving the instance.)

Refers to the act of obstructing another person's gameplay by intentionally leaving the game or disconnecting from the server.
Key Points
Since the game relies on internet connectivity, it is inevitable that there will be network disconnections or real-life circumstances which prevent you from playing the game. As such, simply disconnecting or remaining inactive in the game will not result in a penalty.

However, if a report is filed, a penalty will be issued if the following types of situations are confirmed to be occurring repeatedly:

Occurs right after entering a duty
Occurs when progress is not going well in a duty
Occurs when the team is about to be defeated in PvP

Even if there was no intention to interfere with others, repeated occurrences can be a nuisance to others. If you are experiencing network instability, or if you are frequently unable to play due to real-world circumstances, be considerate of others by refraining from participating in the duty/content, taking into account that you may unintentionally cause issues for others.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act was confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means.

Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior:
(Not healing, and by extension raising, another player because you don't like their getting hurt/dying)

Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well.
Key Points
Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately.

For example, the following types of situations fall under the act of giving an advantage to the enemy (or the opposing team/players in PvP content):

"I don't want to heal because there is a player I don't like in the group."
"I don't think we can clear this anyway, so I'll just get hit by the enemy attack and go AFK after I'm knocked out."
"I'm going to join the opposing team as a healer and do nothing so my friends on the other team can win the PvP content."

If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act has been confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means.

Note they've made it clear this list is non-exhaustive, and that the things you are doing skirt very close to the above listed.

Again, as I've said, I hope your attempts to get closure on this go well, but please do accept there is a very strong possibility your warning was well earned.

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Originally Posted by Myrany

I would think that in many cases a GM could just say something like "You have a long running history (having consulted logs) of doing X." In which case no specific incident is discussed. There is no way in that case to identify who reported. For all you know it could have been a series of reports over possibly months or years that they have just reached the tipping point with.

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I definitely like this idea of going about it instead of just "go file an appeal and await results." knowing full well that it could take a while to even get a response. Even though the OP's attitude and being "disliked by many" is contested and called into question in this thread, I will say is that I empathize with the anxiety the OP must feel from being stonewalled from a proper explanation and not knowing exactly what led to the warning, one report or many. I would be anxious too, and this is me full well knowing that sometimes I can act like a total jabroni in /say lol

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I definitely like this idea of going about it instead of just "go file an appeal and await results." knowing full well that it could take a while to even get a response. Even though the OP's attitude and being "disliked by many" is contested and called into question in this thread, I will say is that I empathize with the anxiety the OP must feel from being stonewalled from a proper explanation and not knowing exactly what led to the warning, one report or many. I would be anxious too, and this is me full well knowing that sometimes I can act like a total jabroni in /say lol

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I think we all have acted the fool at some point or another.

Honestly I think the really important takeaway from the thread is not the OPs guilt or innocence as much as it is it could happen to any of us that we incur a penalty and will never be told what we did to incur it. That is frankly a bit frightening.

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the GMs and SE need to change the way they handle reports. There needs to be some transparency on what someone did wrong so they can prevent it from happening again.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I definitely like this idea of going about it instead of just "go file an appeal and await results." knowing full well that it could take a while to even get a response.

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While I agree, I can understand why they don't as it adds a huge layer of busywork for the GMs and puts it firmly on them to sort out. Often it's very easy to reflect oneself, read the ToS and see "Ohhh I see that's what I did", then never need to file in the first place.

In my case I mocked a troll on the forum and got a 10 day ban for it. (Bravo to you, space-bunny-alien-fairy-person; you baited me and got me). Didn't realize that was what it was but I could figure it out in about 20-30 minutes of digging.