So, can we just ban damage meters already.

Remove the parser and those people will still act out anyway.

If you want any and all sort of bad experiences to disappear, the only solution to that is disabling the chatbox and running everything with NPCs.

It's a kind of pointless discussion.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

And yea, I'm expecting the worst once content gets difficult. The community is what it is I guess.

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Or if someone's telling you that you're under-performing you can take that to heart and get better. Play well and the harassment that you're specifically complaining about goes away! Who'd have thunk it?

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Originally Posted by Mixt

As the old saying goes "One bad apple spoils the bunch"

Multiple bad apples spoils the bunch worse and the rot spreads faster as well.

There comes a point where you can't burn the bad ones out faster than they infect everything around them, and then you really have a problem.

And this is why we can't have nice things.

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Gonna be a complete narcissist and quote myself:

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

...Report to root out the truly rotten apples in the barrel, but if your view is to toss every apple with a small bruise, blemish or scuff as being bad for the entirety of the barrel, youre gonna end up with an empty barrel.

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This is something I said in a related subject about toxicity. It's funny how the two seem to go hand in hand when discussions come up. At the end of the day, yeah there are gonna be jerks who abuse parsing, but the vast majority of players who parse I bet arent jerks. Hell, I would think most players dont care about whether people parse or not.

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Again, not really sure how I'd be the common factor in all of this when I don't really chat in dungeons, and most of what I've seen doesn't directly involve me. This insistence on indicating that I'm the problem from people does come off as just more attempts at justifying harassment.

And yea, I'm expecting the worst once content gets difficult. The community is what it is I guess.

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See, most of us are against harassment, we're not justifing it at all. Most of the ones you seem to think are, are only pointing out that it doesn't take a parser to spot underperfoming players.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you have seen it 5 times, and only been called out once, even though with how prickly and defensive you have been makes things seem more like this is a "buddy" story where it didn't really happen quite the way you are portraying it.

Either way, you will always be the one constant in all of your dungeon runs. You can either accept that fact and focus on the one thing you can control, your own play. Or you can deny that and blame other players, pareses, content being too hard, and whatever else you might think of and never really improve much beyond a certain point.

As I understand that I am the one constant in all of my runs, I listen and evaluate when others comment on my play as they might be seeing something I'm not. As our goals are the same, clear the content, preferably in the way with the least amount of hassle. Before I ever consider commenting on anyone elses play, I first look to see what I could have done better.

Any player that is actively harassing another player needs to be reported. Pointing out someone could be doing better is not harassment in and of itself. And without the full context surrounding your particular incidents no one can say for certain.

It's almost like the OP didn't want a discussion, they wanted a circle jerk where we all clap, and blame parsers, and FFLogs for all the bad in FFXIV.

Shouldn't parsers and FFlogs just get a sticky and mods delete these threads by now?

Just got out of a run of the 71 dungeon with a DRG with lvl 5 right side that would hit buttons at random. No aoe on 7+ mobs, spamming chaos thrust(not the combo just the chaos thrust), dying 3+ times every fight by standing in aoes. I even said "DRG, you should really use your aoe combo when fighting a bunch of mobs" only to be met with silence and the random doom spike every once in a while. One of the few runs were my food buff ran out and the final boss did the slam spam twice. To say they were "doing it wrong" would be a huge understatement.

Is everyone really ok with this? For someone like that to be that bad at lvl 71? And stuff like this is common in this game. With public parsers this kind of thing would happen way less. Sure, due to FF not having them from the start it might get a bit "toxic" if they added them, but the community would adapt in time. 90% of the players in WoW knew avg dps number at different lvls so even if you were lowish on the meter most wont say anything. Nobody expected huge numbers out of fire mage/spriest while lvling or as fresh max lvls for example. The general player base knew those two specs sucked hard without the full kit+good amounts of their needed substat(crit for fire and haste for spriest).

I honestly feel the player base as a whole would benefit from having parsers not be this hush hush taboo. Bring the ban hammer down on those that are extreme in their call outs(no telling people to kill themselves and stuff like that), but being able to call people out with numbers behind it can only help people like that DRG.

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It's almost like the OP didn't want a discussion, they wanted a circle jerk where we all clap, and blame parsers, and FFLogs for all the bad in FFXIV.

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Which is hilarious considering parsers and FFLogs are the ones moving the game forward. It's just snowflakes that cry because they can't be bothered to learn their class and "YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB" and other equally flawed arguments.

You don't need a parser to tell who is underperforming in a dungeon. It's pretty obvious when it happens. And if they weren't posting specific dps numbers (which WOULD be evidence of them using a parser you could report), then there's no reason to assume they're using a parser.

Parsers are great tools for hard content. When there is a tight dps check, a parser helps groups fix enrage problems. Frankly there's no point in parsing non-Extreme/non-Savage content at all, as even if someone is terrible at their job, you're in no danger of failing the content due to lack of DPS.

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Parsers are great tools for hard content. When there is a tight dps check, a parser helps groups fix enrage problems. Frankly there's no point in parsing non-Extreme/non-Savage content at all, as even if someone is terrible at their job, you're in no danger of failing the content due to lack of DPS.

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I parse in most content, myself. Mostly just because I like to hold myself to a decent standard, and having numbers is the only way to do that.