I am disappointed with Deep Dungeon

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Originally Posted by Felis

Layer 4 have nothing to do with RNG.
It depend of how many upgrades your weapon/gear already have and in which floor you are. Each floor have an upgrade cap. No upgrade if your weapon or gear is already over the cap of the current floor.

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Actually that's wrong.

The upgrade cap is the players level, the floor only determines the sync cap. You need to be 2x or higher then the level of your respective piece of gear for it to roll an upgrade at all.

Its in the player's best interest to level as much as possible as fast as possible to have the maximum amount of chances for silver chests. If you are not level 60 by floor 41 or 42 you are doing it wrong and actually reducing the likelihood of getting an upgrade at all.

Okay, that makes sense. Sort of discourages speed runs.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

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The current implementation leaves much to be desired but has its justification you want or is not entirely valid. Another thing is funny as Nyzul mentioned when people at the time complained about the lack of variety of events from a Dungeon Crawler (focused most on killing) that months later managed to solve.

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Originally Posted by Destous

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Whoever forces you to be 3 hours inside the Palace?
The main problem and this is something that happens in most of the MMO is the craving to devour the contents as quickly as possible rather than making it last. The content is not going away, so you want the weapon the first week?.

You know what many? We took it easy so that the contents do not get bored, I go down 10 floors every day to avoid getting bored doing the same activity for 3 hours(any activity you do for 3 hours bored)

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

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Starting this is not a Dungeon Crawler ...

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Actually that's wrong.

The upgrade cap is the players level, the floor only determines the sync cap. You need to be 2x or higher then the level of your respective piece of gear for it to roll an upgrade at all.

Its in the player's best interest to level as much as possible as fast as possible to have the maximum amount of chances for silver chests. If you are not level 60 by floor 41 or 42 you are doing it wrong and actually reducing the likelihood of getting an upgrade at all.

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Can you confirm on this? I´ve been on some speed runs(matched) that skips all possible mobs so naturally we got under 60 for 41-50 floors

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Possible solution to people leaving at 49, leaving resets you to floor 1.

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Oh, good, so people will have even more reason to try to wipe the group instead, since they can't leave.

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Originally Posted by ardrej

Can you confirm on this? I´ve been on some speed runs(matched) that skips all possible mobs so naturally we got under 60 for 41-50 floors

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Yeah, me and my FC went and tested this out.

It was not until we were 2x the upgrade level in character level before any chest would give us an upgrade. We were getting upgrades for gear that was sync'd. In fact, we were almost rolling in upgrades throughout the 41-50 block. While the speed run groups I wound up in almost never got upgrades. Being level 56/57 by floor 47 means only 2 floors for chances at upgrades.

The higher the enhance level, the more speed running hurts you. Floor depth only affects the sync level.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Fun and challenge are widely divergent for me...

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That's the balance though, you can do challenging but it starts to tip the scales with the easy side...then we have how long things can play out. Not even a week and people have rushed to it, finding ways around or mass spamming it to complete it as soon as they can for the glow. If you look at all the things that come into play you have so many factors that if you adjust one, it heightens or lowers the other(s). It's a balancing act, I can't say any of our ideas would be that much better..some might some might not.

Someone made a suggestion for a test server, i'm sure there's some things that get tested and some that go right into production. They could have one..but expanding on the idea..the resources..

Here's my feedback.

Preface: I really wasn't hyped about this content. Everything I read about it looked frustrating or bad.


Overall Opinion: I really like it. This is the most fun I've had in game outside of raiding since doing the 3.0 story.

Issues or things that can be improved:

• Recycled music from old content often doesn't fit the atmosphere and feels very out of place. Would have preferred new tracks.
• The environments themselves are very very dull. I know that the dev team can design cool looking areas, and I'm not sure why they decided to make dull caves for this content.
• Once finishing level 50, you need to go all the way back to level 1. I'd prefer if we could just keep farming 41-50 (even if that meant that silver coffers would be even more rare to balance)
• The current design promotes people wiping parties, because they haven't got their last +arm/armor by floor 50. There needs to be a better way design the content to address this.
• There should be puzzles of some sort. This has a major Zelda series vibe to me, but is missing this component of what makes Zelda dungeons so engaging.

Score: I like numbers, so giving it a numerical score on quality ;) 7/10

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Originally Posted by Vantol

At least in Diadem you could be watching TV during that (or mind your own business).

For me it was "make or break". So I wish best luck to all who is staying.

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I had no trouble speed-running (by which I just mean killing and exploring as quickly as possible, not necessarily chest- or mob-skipping) even with a 'stay on top' player streaming videos over the whole bottom-left corner of my screen the whole time. Audiobooks, emails, studying off textbooks in my lap... Amazing what a MMO mouse and mind-numbing simplicity can do in that regard.

That said, I'll probably be staying, at least on and off as before, if only because I feel the medium, much like the dropped-like-a-flaming-turd Diadem base concept, has a lot of potential. It just hasn't been tapped yet. We have literally auto-generated rehashed rooms and a selection of the same dull mobs people complain about in dungeons and the open world. And an upgrade system that leads to later party conflicts. That's it. What it could have... that's a massive list.

Afterthought: For those stating that this is merely an issue in the current floor count, and that we'll see enjoyable difficulty and complexity by the time, say, floor 110 comes out... Do you really want to be slogging through 50+ floors of barebone content just to get to something enjoyable? Why not focus on the underlying concepts and generators such that future improvements can affect all the floors?

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Originally Posted by Vantol

At least in Diadem you could be watching TV during that (or mind your own business).

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..at... least??

So, your preference is to have content that doesn't require your attention?