Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

EDIT: Womp nvm

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

OK So with 3.0 here we have to test a few new things:

1) Ifrits / Titans damage modifiers. (BRD- Foe / Slashing debuff (WAR/NIN) / MNK Dragon Kick
2) Pet Accuracy (Confirm if it is in fact equal to a SMNs or not)
3) The immensely long opener (lvl 60 preferably)
4) INT / SS / DET: Strongest damage modifiers and how they balance against each other for both SMN skills and Pet abilities, particularly interested in SS vs DET for DoT damage individually and overall damage done entirely, and SS + DET vs CRIT +SS vs CRIT + DET

Gonna add this to the second post as well and will edit that as we figure this out. Eventually it will be absorbed into the main post.

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I think Ifrit will no longer be affected by Dragon Kick since all his attacks were changed from Blunt to Elemental. His AA is still slashing however so Storm's Eye and Dancing Edge will be a DPS boost still.

Assuming you can use AF stacks inside of DWS, wouldn't this be a good opener ?

Pre pull: Shadowflare+Spur+Rouse

Bio 2 as Tank is pulling > Miasmi > Bio > Enkindle > R2 > Fester > R2 > ED > R2 > Painflare > AF+DWS> RS+Pot > Tri-disaster > Fester > Miasmi 2 > SC > Shadowflare+Contagion > R3x2 > R2 > Fester > R3 > R2 > Deathflare.

That way, you will get fully buffed DoTs(DWS 10% Increase + Pot + RS + Contagion).

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Assuming you can use AF stacks inside of DWS, wouldn't this be a good opener ?

Pre pull: Shadowflare+Spur+Rouse

Bio 2 as Tank is pulling > Miasmi > Bio > Enkindle > R2 > Fester > R2 > Painflare > AF+DWS> RS+Pot > Tri-disaster > Fester > Miasmi 2 > SC > Shadowflare+Contagion > R3x2 > R2 > Fester > R3 > R2 > Deathflare.

That way, you will get fully buffed DoTs(DWS 10% Increase + Pot + RS + Contagion).

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You need to burn 3 Aetherflow stacks to get into DWT. So basically you would need to use ED somewhere before because the other two would be on CD.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually not worth waiting with Raging + Pot. You basically have to wait, 5-6 GCDS which is about... 5 ticks? without buffed Dots on top of Potency loss from Fester, Painflare and ED outside of Raging and Pot.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Opener?

RS -> POT -> B2 -> M -> B -> Fester -> (Trance probably wont effect Pets so you're probably safe to Rouse/Spur Enkindle) R2 -> Pain Flare -> R2 etc to Fester -> R2 -> Trance -> 3D -> R3 spam -> Death Flare (weaving Festers etc)

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I imagine it might be stronger to save RS+Pot until the second Fester or even the Painflare, so it stacks nicely with Dreadwyrm Trance, ending right after Deathflare.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

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Oh my bad, ED is probably between Fester/painflare(Edited my OP). And I don't really understand your second statement. You will still get to use Festerx2+Deathflare with RS+Pot which would be better than using RS+Pot on Painflare+Fester+ED.

Wouldn't it be better to open with Tri-Disaster instead of applying all DoT's by themselves?

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Oh my bad, ED is probably between Fester/painflare(Edited my OP). And I don't really understand your second statement. You will still get to use Festerx2+Deathflare with RS+Pot which would be better than using RS+Pot on Painflare+Fester+ED.

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Well the second set of AF stacks will be buffed, but thats going to happen regardless?

Kinda like uh forgo the buffs on the initial skills pre DWT, to super buff everything else in DWT but...

Using one set of buffs here and then having the second set of buffs on the later half, will probably even out the same way. Obviously would have to be tested if its worth waiting that long. We also don't know if you can be in DWT when you use AF.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

Wouldn't it be better to open with Tri-Disaster instead of applying all DoT's by themselves?

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That depends on if you can better take advantage of overlapping buffs at the end of the opener.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

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Except this way, your Deathflare will be buffed with Pot+RS and your contagion'd DoTs will be buffed with the 10% from DWS. This is of course, assuming you can be in DWT while using AF.

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Originally Posted by OneWingedSora

Except this way, your Deathflare will be buffed with Pot+RS and your contagion'd DoTs will be buffed with the 10% from DWS. This is of course, assuming you can be in DWT while using AF.

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You can still have a buffed Deathflare in the opening, now... Contagion'd DoTs....why cant you just use Tri - D when DWS is up to clip all the current DoTs and then Contagion later? Clipping these Dots doesn't hurt you because that is a free oGCD to reapply no? Or am I looking at this wrong?

Idk somehow I don't think that 10% from DWT is gonna be that decisive of a boost to wait out Raging Strikes and Pot usage from all the skills prior to going into DWT although I guess that just needs to be tested anyway.

EDIT: If anything, I think you might actually shift the Pot usage, to use Tri - D later when DWT comes up but before Raging Strikes falls off.