So Second Coil has been destroyed

1. If u consider yourself hardcore: Great! More than likely this adjustment has made your farming capacity more streamlined for attaining more gear in a shorter amount of time. You are more than likely tired of the same fight anyway and will enjoy the laugh the adjustments will bring. You may also revel in the fact that casual players will have little to no bearings on anything worth while that u do.

2. If u consider yourself a casual player: Awesome, understandably not everyone can form statics and commit to set times for raids. I personally hope you enjoy the new adjustments and are able to gear accordingly so that if we may cross paths in the near future you are well equipped for the endevour.

3. If u are a player looking for a challenge or fun in general: To be honest, these 2 things are relative. Content is as fun and challenging as you make it out to be. Remember that no one here pays your sub and go out there and MPK ur team mates for increased fun and difficulty!!

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Originally Posted by RinKaen

Are you on a dead server or what ?

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I'm on a large and active server. At any given time, 95% of the SCOB parties that you'll find in PF are either farm parties or progression parties with messages to the effect of "Must know up to phase X or we will kick!" True learning parties for SCOB are few and far between; most require at least some level of progression in the fight, which can only be obtained by - surprise! - learning. It's much easier to find learning parties for the EX Primals than it is for SCOB.

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

They can get a 2nd stack, so what? They will still be taking increased damage for pushing the tower a second time. Pushing the tower a second time before the nerfs would cause you to be near-death or be instantly killed if you were not a tank. As people geared up, people could still survive a second stack. The damage reduction may not be as significant as people claim it to be. They still will be taking amplified damage, and they will get another stack on Languishing. We just have to wait for the servers to come out before we can actually say anything. :x

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2nd stack of Languishing deal 80% of max HP btw

gears or HP has nothing to do with it as its fixed % dmg

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Originally Posted by Violyre

Oh oh oh I know why all these people are really angry!

"We can't sell SCoB runs for as much now :(((((((((("

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That's weird since I'm in a linkshell dedicated to helping teach new players old content and run them through it.... for free. We don't have any presence on the forums, only from a long time ago when it was simply Titan HM aid back at launch: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...your-Titankill!, but it's still going.

I'm annoyed because Second Coil was a good middle of the road option where I could run it and have some fun because it wasn't hugely difficult, but simultaneously it wasn't as easy to the point where I can basically switch off my brain and do it.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

And in theory, if you want the playerbase to progress, all you need to do is nerf the final turn of each Coil, NOT all the other turns. Clearing T6-T8 is meaningless, in terms of progression.

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Erm, no, that would be counterproductive. Nerfing the final turn of each coil would insinuate that the next tier is as difficult. Then the playerbase would get discourage and give up. Instead keeping a difficult curve at the end ensures that the players are as prepared for the next tier.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

Cant please everyone, half the people want easier coil once echo comes out, other half says leave as is and those people shouldn't be able to do coil at all since they cant find good parties that communicate. I am the latter and think mechanics should be left alone. Should be able to clear with any normal communication with the buffs.

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Not that I disagree that you can't please everyone, but the facts are that the people who clear endgame content are a very, very small part of the community, and while some casual/less hardcores who haven't cleared it might have wanted it the same, I'd eat a shoe if more than 20% of the playerbase was unhappy with these changes. (though I'll probably never eat a shoe)

Those hardcore types are actually a severe minority, which is why T2 still remains uncleared for many people. I do want a challenge to exist of course, which is why I'm not saying "THEY SOULD NERF FCOB TOO!", but when content becomes legitimate irrelevant, I see no reason not to nerf it. Though again, I think they should have a "Classic" mode or something to play it the old way for those who want to experience it, but we cant have everything.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

I am not insinuating that. I am outright stating that. Yours is a typical assumption of someone who needs a reality check, sorry. Our static has been raiding only two days a week, 3 hours at a time.

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Ah well, I suppose that you are lucky. In times when statics come and go, and finding a pug for a learning opportunity is counterproductive. In that case, you would be the one in need of a check. Statics rarely go smooth.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

What can I say. I would just like to think that players would WANT to challenge themselves,...

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Again, you're assuming that players will not get to become better with, say, turn 9. Keeping the same difficulty with the same one shot mechanics would be obnoxious for new players. An obnoxious raiding curve must be challenging, sure, but certainly not enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

What I do not understand on SE's side is why they do not leave their Players with a choice. You can click the Echo away if you want the original Challenge but T6-T8 are no longer what they were with all those Changes. Why can't they just keep both versions and upon registering, you choose between the original version and the eased up one?

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I definitely wouldn't mind this. Call it Nth Coil of Bahamut (Classic). Maybe give players a title for clearing it, and retroactively give vets with clears titles and achievements for (Classic) mode when a nerfed version comes out. Something like Playername <<Original Recipe>>.

I can't experience the challenge of BCoB, should I quit now?

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Originally Posted by Dashuto

"How dare people who aren't as good as me enjoy something, HOW DARE THEY!!!"

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How can people just be fine with "not being as good as others"?
This is what I am failing to understand.

FFXIV is not rocket science. It's really basic stuff. There is no reason for any person with a normal amount of eye-hand coordination not to be able to clear content. I mean, you REALLY need to be seriously impaired to need Blighted Bouquet to be nerfed when the way to survive it was DOING NOTHING.