#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

I mean, the form doesn't have a lot of people, but the OP has 270 likes over 2,000 post, and drastically more coverage than kaiten, or the black mage changes. This has all happened in less than a week. What percentage asked for kaiten to be removed? What percentage asked for non-standard to be nuked? What percentage wanted summoner's difficulty lowered to the point of non-exisitance?

We are currently the most vocal and largest group on the fourms and they've changed and redesigned jobs that had way less of a voice.

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Originally Posted by MontecristoSandwich

High level healer play, introducing a combo and additional DPS moves to track would make the job almost comically complicated. Little additions/interaction changes as someone else mentioned would be fine, even welcome, but I keep seeing people ask for full-on rotations and I think it's frankly insane.

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Did you play during ARR? When healers had Cleric Stance to manage, and multiple DoTs to juggle? And yet, newbies picked up the role just fine, and content got cleared.

Tanks have full-on rotations. So why can't healers? There has never been an answer given to this question that isn't just some form of, "Healers are all glue-huffing monkeys."

Case in point:

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Originally Posted by BelleStarlily

Additionally, the majority of you are players that have mostly touched normal content in the game and 90% of that content is made in a way to support every single player regardless of their knowledge of the game or their skill level, so that type of content will never change.

Even if they did change normal content to make it more difficult I can guarantee you that people will not be able to consistently clear it, leading to some players leaving the game because it's "too difficult" and eventually the thing they made harder will get nerfed and back to it's current state.

Instead of crying about it and trying to boycott I suggest you give a try to some of the harder content in the game such as Criterion dungeons, extreme fights, savage raids and ultimate raids.

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Where she ignores the players who posted their Ultimate logs and showed that they were still spamming Glaroilaficosis for 56% of the fight.

Also, it's bad design for an entire role to only be fun in the tippity-top-end hardest fights and braindead-boring to play in the other 99% of the game. DPS is fun no matter what level of content you're doing. Tanks are fun no matter what level of content you're doing. Healers are only fun if you're solo-healing a current Ultimate with a random PF group and half the party decided to eat crayons that day.

Dungeons more similar to early-game designs, but with more mechanics would be nice. Also make Head-Graze, Legsweep and Low Blow relevant again.
If that is the point, to make dungeons more challenging again by design, then yes, that would be nice.
But I fear a WoW mentality will form with new players and first-timers will be kicked. Having to look up a guide before even doing the dungeon will only create (more) toxicity, and is, frankly, artifical difficulty.

This, of course, is my personal opinion.

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Originally Posted by BelleStarlily

Moving up to Savage and Ultimates, however is quite a big jump for most people who have not done any difficult content before. Trust me you're gonna struggle and you're most likely going to make your co-healer wanna pluck their hairs out but it's okay.

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That's a lie. I went to savage (p5s and p6s) in freshly crafted gear without ever having healed extremes/savage and there was still not enough healing to be done. My healing was on par with my cohealers. On p6s, my second ever savage run as a healer, I spent more than 5 minutes out of a 10 minute fight spamming the same damage spell. You're acting like it's difficult to heal 50% of the time when it's not.

People said there would be healing to do in savage, so where is it? Why am I doing damage over half the time? Why am I spamming the same button for 5 minutes?

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Originally Posted by BelleStarlily

In FFXIV the healer role is intended to play differently than say something like WOW. In this game your main priority is to do damage and use your off global cooldowns to heal and sustain the party.

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And this is why I quit healing savage and will never do it again unless they fix healers. Despite the pitiful amount of GCD healing needed I don't get to have a decent dps rotation on a job that was marketed as the "dps healer" or on any of the older healing jobs that had their damage spells removed. If I want to get better I just need to spam the same damage button even more than I did as a noob savage healer. Then I get to progress to ultimates where I will also spam the same button 50% of the time. That's my reward?

No thanks. Healing is garbage at all levels and it needs to be fixed. It wasn't this boring before.

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Honestly, I don't think that this will change much. Most people are fine with how it goes. And most people (the average gamer with a life and a job) never visit this forums and just play. So I guess there will be enough healers in que.

And if you really can manage it that a significant number of people would start to avoid playing healer, this could just result in other people use the healer role for a faster duty pop.

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I'm starting to understand why major companies force you to look at an FAQ page before allowing you to speak to a live Customer Service representative.

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Originally Posted by Moonjava

I'm really not trying to be dismissive, but 230/1.4m is .016% of the playerbase. If we assume that even only 5% of the playerbase usually plays healer (which is an incredibly generous assumption in favor of your position), that's 0.32% of all healers. That's not going to make a significant difference. Going purely by Discord membership, the numbers just aren't there at the moment.

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I literally just pointed out the group of players that are relevant and you go and pull a random number our of nowhere again.

This isn't "Dissatisfied healers vs The entire playerbase", or even "Dissatisfied healers vs The entire healer role playerbase". It's entirely "Dissatisfied healers vs Healers who are vehemently against change", that's the only relevant opposition here, you can't just magic extra numbers out of thin air to back your argument.

And I'm certain that the healers who are against change are a much smaller number than 5% of the playerbase. Like I said earlier, the vast majority of people outside that group do not care and are not relevant to your argument because changing healers DOES NOT affect them in any way.

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Originally Posted by Moonjava

crazy parent syndrome

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Dude what is this, you're all over the place, you remind me of my manipulative ex who tried to sound as superficially-encouraging as possible, while also trying to subtly make me feel like all of my ideas were actually stupid.

You're riding this constant roller-coaster between passive and aggressive where you seem to be trying to both force everyone here to admit you're correct and their ideas are wrong, but also want to portray yourself as an enlightened thinker who just wants to guide everyone to a better place.

Like just pick a damn rail, dude. At least the people who just pop-in to mock the Healers here and then wander-off again are being honest about their intentions.

"By all means I support you, encourage you even! But you're also insignificant, and will accomplish nothing. However! Maybe it will still work. And that would be great, because then you'll all succeed in forcing a poor, innocent businessman to incur a horrible financial loss just to capitulate to your oppressive demands and make you happy. You'd like that, wouldn't you?"

"But anyway, really, seriously, I totally respect your ideas. You should just know that they're not very good ideas, and smart people like me don't share them. But I definitely say, if you want to try, go for it! Even if you're definitely going to fail."

"Oh, also, it really upsets me when you don't respond to me very nicely, it just seems really condescending, and I don't deserve that, because all I'm doing is pointing out how terrible and futile all of your ideas are. And I'm just doing that because I obviously care about you and your feelings. So I really think you're being unfair to me, and owe me an apology and a treat."

(5 minutes of being on Read later)

"Hey, are you ignoring me? I think that's really inconsiderate, because I put a lot of effort into trying to point out how bad your ideas are, just to try to help you feel happier by giving up on your terrible ideas."

"Also, while I was on the toilet, I thought of 15 more reasons why you should agree with me that you are wrong, and I am now going to provide all of them to you, whether you request it or not. Ahem..."

Speking of mockery, Zenos really must've been bored out of his mind. For what, a couple of pebbles and some wind in his face?

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Originally Posted by Moonjava

In any case, I'm clearly not getting anywhere, so I'm tapping out. In summary: by all means, go crazy with this strike. If it goes exactly as planned and queues are utterly broken in DT and Yoshi P himself has to schedule an emergency live letter to get on his hands and knees and beg you all to start doing roulettes on healer again, that's great. Maybe that'll give SE enough of an incentive to cut/delay content they'd already planned for the next few patches and fully pivot to completely reworking healers per your demands ASAP and just eat the financial loss that doing so would incur.

My point is this: until such time as the above transpires, there is no evidence that "healers are in an awful state and need to be completely reworked" is a majority opinion or that it should be given any more weight than any other opinion, and therefore there is no ground to demand the kinds of immediate and sweeping changes I've seen demanded in this thread. Your opinion on the state of healers and whether or not they should be reworked is not universally true, is not more valuable than the opinions of extreme casuals, hardcore raiders, non-healers, or anyone else, and does not justify condescending to and belittling people who disagree. That's it, really.

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It would be easier, if you also accepted certain views and issues. But the constant reminder, that the strike won't work, majority doesnt care about healer, etc makes it really difficult to join your side.
I just think, if you want to compare the forum posts in here to the whole playerbase, then you're better off comparing it to each thread within the forum. If x amount of players dont care about this whole thread, then they wont care if SE adjusts healer gameplay either. That's your whole point, no?

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Originally Posted by Moonjava

My issue is with people claiming that healers just are utterly broken right now and being extremely insulting and condescending to people who disagree

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Define "broken". I haven't seen any people making such sweeping statement. And if there are, they are surely not a large part. The issues people have pointed out are generally far more specific and contained then a general "broken" claim.

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Originally Posted by Moonjava

demanding that SE not only change every healer's entire kit, but also the healing/mit skills on all other jobs just to suit the preferences of people in this thread

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If you want to argue that point, start with the reaons. Just saying "I don't like the conclusion" isn't helpful.

Do you disagree healers should have an equally important part in group content as other roles? Do you disagree the valueable part of bringing a healer should be the healing? Do you disagree there is only a limited amount of healing required in any content? Do you disagree healers should be responsible for the vast majority of that healing? Do you disagree tanks have taken over more of that healing requirement in EW? Do you disagree the first look at DT shifts that balance even more to tanks? Do you disagree that in certain group content that balance has shifted so much towards tanks that it's optimal and trivially easy to let the tanks fulfill the healer role? Do you disagree that the most difficult content should be impossible without a healer?

Or is there something else that would change this conclusion that the self and teamheals on tanks have diminished the healer role. Or is it alright for tanks to diminish healers, but not alright for healers to speak up and wanting their chosen role back. Either way, explain that a bit better please.

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Originally Posted by Moonjava

Why does the WAR who really loves their self-sustain tools get insulted and belittled for "encroaching on the healer's responsibilities" and told to just suck it up and deal with the idea of having their entire kit reworked to satisfy healers?

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The only WAR I saw that got such firm pushback make it very clear they knew WAR is by far the strongest job, but they liked it that way. And they didn't want to engage in any more detailed discussions on how the healer concerns could be fixed without lowering heals from tanks. It was "not their problem".