Data Centers/World Locations Info from the LIVE Letter

Between the straw man arguments and the awesome ad hominem attack against me (read up on it), it almost seems like you want to put up at least an example of every logical fallacy in the book.

Now it turns out anything I say is invalidated because I'm not lv50. Why, you master of debating, you.

Question: Where would/should a global server be located. please tell me the difference between calling it global or naming it after the region it is located in?

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Question: Where would/should a global server be located. please tell me the difference between calling it global or naming it after the region it is located in?

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Place it on the moon. Then everyone will have equally shitty lag.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Question: Where would/should a global server be located. please tell me the difference between calling it global or naming it after the region it is located in?

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Global would mean, everyone that access's it would have the same stability, sort of.
however people closer to this server would have a better connection than anyone who would be further.

Regional just means it's localised for people say in another continent other than Asia or NA, so the people there will have a stable connection and wont experiance any kind of problems very often.

Correct me if i'm wrong, they're not that much different in a sense.

Japan is where they would likely be located, as they were for ff11, and ff14, its about new players, that is it, if a new player sees the options:
NA
NA
JP
JP
EU
EU
If they are NA, they will go to NA, JP will go to JP, EU will go to EU, it will happen.

If a ls that exist now goes to a JP server thats NA/EU (like mine), if will die over time, it just will, there will be little to no new NA/EU people, the same goes vise versa for any of the 3. The current population is to small to expect it to last any decent amount of time unless you never lose a single member for any reason, ever.

All people have been asking for, stated throughout this thread many times, is for World servers, located in Japan, we dont care where its at, at all, if its listed as "Global" or something, people will know they can expect people from all 3 time zones.

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Originally Posted by Leoheart

Global would mean, everyone that access's it and have the same stability, sort of.
however people closer to this server would have a better connection than anyone who would be further.

Regional just means it's localised for people say in another continent other than Asia or NA, so the people there will have a stable connection and wont experiance any kind of problems very often.

Correct me if i'm wrong, they're not that much different in a sense.

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Its not about stability, it's about latency.

But the only actual difference between "global" servers and "regional servers," beyond latency, is the label.

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Originally Posted by Leoheart

Global would mean, everyone that access's it and have the same stability, sort of.
however people closer to this server would have a better connection than anyone who would be further.

Regional just means it's localised for people say in another continent other than Asia or NA, so the people there will have a stable connection and wont experiance any kind of problems very often.

Correct me if i'm wrong, they're not that much different in a sense.

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You should just let Jeronimo make his attempt to answer that question. It was clearly directed at his clueless self.

Get past lvl30.

You dont even play this game, do you really pay the sub just to troll?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Its not about stability, it's about latency.

But the only actual difference between "global" servers and "regional servers," beyond latency, is the label.

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I figured as such, I did mean latency thanks for clearing that up.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Get past lvl30.

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Get past me.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Japan is where they would likely be located, as they were for ff11, and ff14, its about new players, that is it, if a new player sees the options:
NA
NA
JP
JP
EU
EU
If they are NA, they will go to NA, JP will go to JP, EU will go to EU, it will happen.

If a ls that exist now goes to a JP server thats NA/EU (like mine), if will die over time, it just will, there will be little to no new NA/EU people, the same goes vise versa for any of the 3. The current population is to small to expect it to last any decent amount of time unless you never lose a single member for any reason, ever.

All people have been asking for, stated throughout this thread many times, is for World servers, located in Japan, we dont care where its at, at all, if its listed as "Global" or something, people will know they can expect people from all 3 time zones.

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If you really want to play on a JP server and have a NA and EU LS, then you would have to recruit people cross server and get them to transfer to your server like how people recruit people cross server in WoW. But it would just make more sense to have a LS on a NA server.

We only have NA/EU because the population of the game is to small to have all 3, on 11 we did, and always had something going on, all day. We would gladly do it again.

Just not getting the point... even wow (i know you can atleast relate), servers have about a 2-3hr prime time for major guilds, then the server dies outside of pickup groups and hundreds of people afk in major cities, which dont count. Going to a NA server means only having real events for about 2-3hrs, having a "Global" server means you can do things w/e you log on. It promotes larger ls's to keep that going.

Edit: I really do not see why these people always seem so threatened by the idea of global servers, it does not affect you in any way, you can have your regional servers, who cares. The only reason I can really see is maby they know people would pick global?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

If you really want to play on a JP server and have a NA and EU LS, then you would have to recruit people cross server and get them to transfer to your server like how people recruit people cross server in WoW. But it would just make more sense to have a LS on a NA server.

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It's futile.

They are impervious to such reasoning. They will insist on upholding their global servers dogmatically and anything but global servers for everyone will invariably ruin the game for them, no matter how flexible the alternative could be, or how much the connection environment could improve as a result of such changes.

Yes, it's true that you'll invariably lose some contacts. You'll just have to treat this as new game like everybody is saying.

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Quote Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood View Post
Question: Where would/should a global server be located. please tell me the difference between calling it global or naming it after the region it is located in?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Its not about stability, it's about latency.

But the only actual difference between "global" servers and "regional servers," beyond latency, is the label.

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This is exactly what i was trying to get at. it is merely a complaint about semantics at this point. people have said they dont care about regional servers as long as one is called "Global/international" and i think this is a silly thing to quibble over for 80+ pages. if what you are advocating for is to only have servers located in a single region and deny the ability to have closer servers all in the name of community then this kind of thinking will only harm the future of any game. you people are smart, smart enough to know that its the game its self that makes something great. look at WoW, they had regional servers, were they EVER harmed in doing that?

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

if what you are advocating for is to only have servers located in a single region and deny the ability to have closer servers

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None of you can read, not saying get rid of regional servers, just have global as an option.

This game will also never reach WoW's population, no games will, its the casual homeland, a game would have to be released and have more content day 1 to even have a chance. The fact that it doesnt hurt wow, it because of the fact its the casual homeland, people only play 1-3hrs a day generally, thats prime time, people played FF11 + FF14 because it was different, HNM/endgame ls's on 11 ran 24/7 and never ran out of things to do.

Nobody should be taking the "primetime" arguments seriously.

Bottomline is this is an mmo and people are on at all times. Unless the game is failing you have nobody to blame but the developers. Certainly not the new server structure as it has been explained to us.

Just connect to the server that shares your "primetime" or if you rather only play odd hours, just do some research and choose the region that you find is more active around the time you prefer to play. I dunno.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

None of you can read, not saying get rid of regional servers, just have global as an option.

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They already told you. That server has to be located somewhere. Which means that you just really want a server with a "Global" label. That's all it comes down to.

I told YOU that, ive said it several times. If you do not lable it global, people will not mix, people will not expect people of their own language to be there at all. A JP server will be 95%+ JP, NA and EU will be the same situation, very small prime times will happen.
Server list:
NA
NA
EU
EU
JP
JP
Global
Global

This is literally what this entire thread is about, right up there.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

I told YOU that, ive said it several times. If you do not lable it global, people will not mix, people will not expect people of their own language to be there at all. A JP server will be 95%+ JP, NA and EU will be the same situation, very small prime times will happen.

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If people won't mix of their own free will, why are you trying to ochestrate ways to force them to?

It seems to me that if the majority of people would not choose a server outside their region by default, naming it global isn't going to matter much since they will have a regional option that they are going to choose over anything else anyway. They just don't care about having a diverse community as much as you do. Those people who want to play with EUs or JPs or NAs are going to go to the appropriate server on their own without need for herding.

Not opposed to the idea, I just think it is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

I told YOU that, ive said it several times. If you do not lable it global, people will not mix,

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To the benefit of better connections overall and reduced lag in-game, which was one of the most requested improvements since 2.0 was announced.

It's a tradeoff, a compromise... and it will happen. People asked for it and there's no turning back now. Time to sort things out with our friends.

Because the 5ish people arguing with me is everybody. Many others in this 850+ post thread have show concern, and all were getting are trolls that it wouldnt affect in the first place.

The "lag" is because we are playing on a FPS games server, i know you just started this game and all, but read up on it a bit. People asked for "reduced lag", the new servers alone could have done that, the only reason to really refuse global servers would be to hide the fact that their servers are still crap (if they are).

People also have accepted the fact that there will be regional servers, they already own them and most likely staffed them. Which is a large factor in people asking for them to add Global as an option, not get rid of regional.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

People asked for "reduced lag", the new servers alone could have done that, the only reason to really refuse global servers would be to hide the fact that their servers are still crap (if they are).

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I do feel this possibility is not entirely out of the question, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Because the 5ish people arguing with me is everybody. Many others in this 850+ post thread have show concern, and all were getting are trolls that it wouldnt affect in the first place.

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Yeah, you can try that argument all you like but you are in an undeniable minority here. SE didn't acquire these servers just because spending money is fun. They know what's up.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

They know what's up.

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Have you see this game recently?

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Have you see this game recently?

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If it's that bad, why are you here upset and ranting in the game's forums because you're afraid you'll have nobody to play with?

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Have you see this game recently?

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It isn't as bad as exaggerated by most people.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

We only have NA/EU because the population of the game is to small to have all 3, on 11 we did, and always had something going on, all day. We would gladly do it again.

Just not getting the point... even wow (i know you can atleast relate), servers have about a 2-3hr prime time for major guilds, then the server dies outside of pickup groups and hundreds of people afk in major cities, which dont count. Going to a NA server means only having real events for about 2-3hrs, having a "Global" server means you can do things w/e you log on. It promotes larger ls's to keep that going.

Edit: I really do not see why these people always seem so threatened by the idea of global servers, it does not affect you in any way, you can have your regional servers, who cares. The only reason I can really see is maby they know people would pick global?

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2-3hr prime time in NA? That's a joke? Can you timezone properly or?

Even with single EU country server on WoW (or other MMOs) prime time last from around 6PM to 11PM. And that's only with one country like France, so only one single timezone.

If servers are "NA" and not separated between East and West Coast, NA players will be able to enjoy a wide prime time due to the multiple timezones.

6PM~11PM +/- 3hr is not what I call "only having 2-3 hrs".

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Originally Posted by Faiyez

Nobody should be taking the "primetime" arguments seriously.

Bottomline is this is an mmo and people are on at all times. Unless the game is failing you have nobody to blame but the developers. Certainly not the new server structure as it has been explained to us.

Just connect to the server that shares your "primetime" or if you rather only play odd hours, just do some research and choose the region that you find is more active around the time you prefer to play. I dunno.

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Ppl on all the times, but only certain time(6PM~11PM usually) there will be active players that actually do stuff.

Some ppl have to play at odd hours, due to work, real life etc. So if you play at odd hours, you will not see anyone in game/have anyone to do stuff with if servers are regional.

And this can hurt if there are some sort of public event in 2.0, may not affect event that requires a static as much(since you probably won't static with ppl speaking other language), but if there are some sort of public event/shout friendly event, you can't do any of those when you log on.

When I played 11, I was in JP timezone, but I speak English. When I log on weekdays, majority of the players are JP, so I join JP /shout pt or their EXP pt(not every JP will take outsiders, but some would), this ensures I have ppl to play with no matter when I play. Also, public event such as besieged, there will always be players doing it and I can join.

On weekend I can play with NA players too, to do more serious stuff such as static.

If there is regional server, and I play on NA server, log on in the morning, there's no way I can do anything on weekday. If there are public events, which both current 14 and 11 has, I won't be able to do it because I can't solo it.

From what I've seen in every way, regional server is more harm than good, for anyone that can't play on 6PM~11PM.....so if you work on 4PM~10PM(which isn't uncommon), you won't have anyone to do stuff with.

And no, "do research and find server that's active around your time" isn't an option, I'm not going to a server that everyone else are JP just because I play on JP timezone. I'd rather to have both as an option, do easy stuff that doesn't require communication on JP time, do serious stuff that requires a lot of communication on weekends.

Of course, lag etc. But before ppl worry about lag in a MMORPG and not fighting game, having ppl to do stuff is more of a serious problem.

I have never once in my entire MMO history, all the way back to the original Everquest, ever played on a regional server that was dead at any point in the day or night. There are always people on because people have a variety of different schedules. It isn't just you that works odd hours.

I welcome separation.

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Originally Posted by Bluewhite

Ppl on all the times, but only certain time(6PM~11PM usually) there will be active players that actually do stuff.

Some ppl have to play at odd hours, due to work, real life etc. So if you play at odd hours, you will not see anyone in game/have anyone to do stuff with if servers are regional.

And this can hurt if there are some sort of public event in 2.0, may not affect event that requires a static as much(since you probably won't static with ppl speaking other language), but if there are some sort of public event/shout friendly event, you can't do any of those when you log on.

When I played 11, I was in JP timezone, but I speak English. When I log on weekdays, majority of the players are JP, so I join JP /shout pt or their EXP pt(not every JP will take outsiders, but some would), this ensures I have ppl to play with no matter when I play. Also, public event such as besieged, there will always be players doing it and I can join.

On weekend I can play with NA players too, to do more serious stuff such as static.

If there is regional server, and I play on NA server, log on in the morning, there's no way I can do anything on weekday. If there are public events, which both current 14 and 11 has, I won't be able to do it because I can't solo it.

From what I've seen in every way, regional server is more harm than good, for anyone that can't play on 6PM~11PM.....so if you work on 4PM~10PM(which isn't uncommon), you won't have anyone to do stuff with.

And no, "do research and find server that's active around your time" isn't an option, I'm not going to a server that everyone else are JP just because I play on JP timezone. I'd rather to have both as an option, do easy stuff that doesn't require communication on JP time, do serious stuff that requires a lot of communication on weekends.

Of course, lag etc. But before ppl worry about lag in a MMORPG and not fighting game, having ppl to do stuff is more of a serious problem.

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The prime hour issue is there, and I hate it. When i was playing wow (during lich king era). You have raids happening and even pug raid shouts during the prime time, and prime time only. When it's out of the prime 6pm-10pm time frame, you don't get anything really - definitely no pug raids at all. Not to mention when you go to wintergrasp, you may end up with only 10 people there.

This kind of stuff never happened in FFXI.

It was very obvious and I didn't like it. I like MMOs to be alive all the time, and global server provides that.

I just think it's a shame how we went from such a strong community in XI with many of the same people. Are just willing to let those bonds come un-done for the sake of a few milleseconds.

If they fail to at least give us the option of a global server I know for one I'll be on the train to picking what server we should try and mark as global for those of us who don't give a toss about latency and care more about a live server over a primetime server.

The whole point of remaking ARR was to reduce lag and a lot of server errors this current version has. They mention remaking the game over a year ago, and not once did they mention regional servers until resently with 2 months left before they shut down 1.0. Adding a global server would benefit those of us who work during prime time hours. Some one like myself whose work hours are from 3p.m. to 11 p.m. It's sad that SE choose to seperate us rather than unifying it gaming community.

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Originally Posted by Titans

The whole point of remaking ARR was to reduce lag and a lot of server errors this current version has. They mention remaking the game over a year ago, and not once did they mention regional servers until resently with 2 months left before they shut down 1.0. Adding a global server would benefit those of us who work during prime time hours. Some one like myself whose work hours are from 3p.m. to 11 p.m. It's sad that SE choose to seperate us rather than unifying it gaming community.

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What about content finder log in do stuff whenever you feel like it?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

What about content finder log in do stuff whenever you feel like it?

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I'm for it, just hate loosing/saying goodbye the EU, JP, and NA friends I've meet over the two years I've been playing.

I have a feeling either at TGS or next week they will reveal the Alpha start date ( and benchmark)

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Originally Posted by Zumi

What about content finder log in do stuff whenever you feel like it?

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How will Content finder help? Give you 1-2 more servers to troll a few members at late night? What about open world content? Content finder will probably itself be region locked otherwise it would defeat the entire purpose of Regional servers in the first place making global servers more logical because you would be able to find people 24/7 for all content not just raids.

Funny enough MMO's do expand beyond raids...

Speaking of instances and whatnot, I wouldn't mind if they made content finder region locked, and leave the game global otherwise. Any non-content finder instances and whatnot can all be located at whatever server you're on anyways.

Of course, it's already a bit too late for that.

Here is my reasoning on why I like regional servers much better the international set up they have now.

First off I live in the US in the Pacific time zone, typically I play during the evening. These are just estimates based on data SE gave awhile ago for FFXI, FFXIV prob similar but about 50% of the players are JP, 40% are US and the remaining 10% are EU. Now then I can't really do much of anything with JPs I am not fluent in Japanese. I am actually Japanese American though but don't speak the language. For the most part I don't see too many EU players I could play with them however they aren't usually on when I play unless they play weird hours that lets them play in PST evening. So essentially I have a server where I can play with about 40% of the population and there are character caps on servers so no new characters can be made. Meaning I probably won't be able to play with 60% of the people on my server due to time zone differences or speaking JP.

Now here is the problem I am currently having with the game. I leveled all the jobs to 50 quite some time ago, pugged lots of mog got all the weapons then started doing Ifrit. When reilcs came out I wanted to do them. However the FFXIV community is pretty closed off when it comes to inviting new people to join their group or LS. Most people on the server have their set group of 8 people and almost never invite new people to join them. Basically I looked pretty hard and found nobody that wanted to do relics. I was stuck trying to pug hamlets but was very unlucky and didn't win any seals. More recently I try finding people on the forums on the servers forums, I might of got 700+ views on my topic but nobody was like hey join my group or LS we can use someone to go out and get relics together. Everyone seemed so set in their ways with set groups they made awhile ago that I pretty much had very little chance of finding 7 other people interested in doing this. FFXIV seemed to be much more clicky then any other MMO I played, FFXI, Aion, WoW, Swtor. In those games I had no problem finding a group to do end game.

The problem lies in only being able to play with about ~40% of the playerbase. When regional servers come out and I pick a NA server with about ~90% of the players will play at the same time I do, and speak English. I think it would be much easier to come by a group that wants to do some serious endgame. Which is why I can't wait for the regional servers because I actually want to do stuff in FFXIV not sit around in Uldah thinking maybe ill get lucky today and see a good shout so I can get some progress on my relic quest.