YPYT is griefing. Tank role is not "puller" role

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

If they pull stuff I am not ready for or comfortable with pulling - then their actions force me to do something. The threads are similar however; and the comedy is that some people probably do think they are "in charge" of the group. Tanks are the ideal for tanking mobs; but 1 mob is not probably going to melt a dps anyways.

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This simply isn't accurate. By level 50, you should be using the same suite of CD regardless of the pull size. It will be some combination of Rampart/30% followed by your short CD and so forth. Small pulls give a false impression tanks don't need CDs because the mobs do hilariously little damage. In fact, a DPS can outright tank three mobs entirely on their own with Second Wind and Bloodbath. The only person really impacted by pull size from 50+ is the healer.

Now at 50, we can exercise some leeway if they're fresh. By 60, there is simply no excuse to pull less than two packs if not the room entirely. You aren't new and every dungeon is essentially the same just with a different coat of paint. Pulling less than that means you aren't a tank. You're a gimped DPS. You've had 50+ levels to get "comfortable". If you're level 71 and baby pulling Holminster Switch, either go back to the early dungeons and practice or use Trusts. They're literally designed for players to move at their leisure. If you queue into DF, then be prepared to deal with DPS and Healers who aren't interested in a slow run because you're "not comfortable." Is it selfish? Yep. Just like you demanding they accommodate your pace because "I'm the tank" is equally selfish.

In the end, do what the majority wants.

Shoutout to the tank I had in the Aery that had a full melt down over me as a Scholar who had the audacity to run fast so I can hardcast Adloquim in his ass. Removed stance and shirked at 2nd boss. The other two DPS didnt tolerate his bullshit and we killed the 2nd boss without a tank. Kicked him after that.

Some mediocre tanks really do gotta be offended. It's a freaking normal dungeon. And tanks are literally overpowered. Do the party a favour and save us the 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

In fact, a DPS can outright tank three mobs entirely on their own with Second Wind and Bloodbath. The only person really impacted by pull size from 50+ is the healer.

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Not so sure about that. I'm pretty sure a DPS would get destroyed by three dungeon-difficulty enemies in short order unless a healer backed them up. I ducked into a level 50 dungeon (unrestricted, level sync) and sure bloodbath helps but you aren't taking down 3 mobs quick enough. I'm sure there are scenarios where it is possible, but it definitely isn't a sure thing to try and do this with a DPS with no backup heals.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Not so sure about that. I'm pretty sure a DPS would get destroyed by three dungeon-difficulty enemies in short order unless a healer backed them up. I ducked into a level 50 dungeon (unrestricted, level sync) and sure bloodbath helps but you aren't taking down 3 mobs quick enough. I'm sure there are scenarios where it is possible, but it definitely isn't a sure thing to try and do this with a DPS with no backup heals.

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I think it's fair to say a DPS can tank a few dungeon mobs without external healing, just not typically also without other people helping burn the mobs down, since they'd need to die roughly within Bloodbath's duration.

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Originally Posted by tsuchii

Shoutout to the tank I had in the Aery that had a full melt down over me as a Scholar who had the audacity to run fast so I can hardcast Adloquim in his ass. Removed stance and shirked at 2nd boss. The other two DPS didnt tolerate his bullshit and we killed the 2nd boss without a tank. Kicked him after that.

Some mediocre tanks really do gotta be offended. It's a freaking normal dungeon. And tanks are literally overpowered. Do the party a favour and save us the 5 minutes.

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It's only ever the mediocre players that get this mentality, too. Ever notice that? Players that are actually good (not that there's much of a difference in dungeons) tend to be pretty chill about the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Not so sure about that. I'm pretty sure a DPS would get destroyed by three dungeon-difficulty enemies in short order unless a healer backed them up. I ducked into a level 50 dungeon (unrestricted, level sync) and sure bloodbath helps but you aren't taking down 3 mobs quick enough. I'm sure there are scenarios where it is possible, but it definitely isn't a sure thing to try and do this with a DPS with no backup heals.

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What Shurrikhan said. The assumption is you have another DPS and Healer dealing damage while the tank throws their temper tantrum. In such a scenario, three mobs will likely die within Bloodbath's duration. Admittedly, some leveling dungeons can be an exception to this.

This is not WoW.

• You don't have routes in your dungeons as every dungeon after ARR is just a "pull everything in one hallway, no you do not skip adds" tanking experience..
• You have effective and amazing cooldowns that are on the OGCD that are up every 30, 60, 120, 180 seconds (respectively).
• Every tank has a spammable cooldown that's up constantly and ridiculously strong (Sheltron, Bloodwhetting, Heart of Stone, and TBN), and only one of them is tied to your DPS resource (DRK).
• You have an immunity that you can just pop as a first cooldown in every first mass pull. Every tank has one, and they're all stopping you from dying for TEN WHOLE SECONDS.
• You don't even have to manage threat either. You turn on tank stance and throw two GCDs and keep autoattacking something and you will hold threat for at least 4-6 mins unless you have a cotank actually pressing GCDs.
• Your interrupts aren't even mandatory either. It's just a minor inconvenience if you don't interrupt skills in dungeons. Hell STUNNING mobs isn't a concept here because the dungeons are a joke.

So honestly, just tag the mob when somebody pulls. It's no biggie. A lot of dungeons stop you from pulling too much regardless anyway so this is the perfect game to try tanking out.

> YPYT is griefing. Tank role is not "puller" role


I guess those DPS who do single target damage in AOE pulls are griefing too.

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Originally Posted by NightHour

> YPYT is griefing. Tank role is not "puller" role


I guess those DPS who do single target damage in AOE pulls are griefing too.

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That's more akin to a tank who won't AoE, pop buffs, etc., while the mirror of YPYT would be more like gleefully dropping mechanics on others or stopping damage the moment there's an actual lethal dps check (if one could random an old dungeon that still has one).

But yes, if they're doing so out of neglect/disdain rather than any form of ignorance, that'd be griefing; the negative impact on the party far outstrips the negative impact of having to spam button [sequence] B instead of button [sequence] A. But, note that this exempts actual ignorance/unfamiliarity; else this would be called "playing the game while effectively blind irl is griefing," rather than "YPYT".

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Originally Posted by NightHour

> YPYT is griefing. Tank role is not "puller" role


I guess those DPS who do single target damage in AOE pulls are griefing too.

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I mean... yeah, basically.