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Originally Posted by hagare

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Hey man, you better Share!

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Aside from yourself, which players said that? I keep asking this as you keep making these broad statements ....that you speak for a lot of other people......when you dont.

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You are being unreasonably rude and hostile, and it's both uncalled for and frankly getting rather old. Aveyond said they spoke for some people, let me repeat that clearly and concisely: SOME. PEOPLE.

Which part of that constitutes or is equivalent to EVERY FFXIV PLAYER EVER? I mean, really? Point me to it.

It's rather disappointing that nobody else around here seems to care to censure you either. I can only assume most silently agree and would see Aveyond gone or something similarly conspiratory. Regardless, it'd be nice if you could tone down the condescension and biting tone. It speaks poorly of you.

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Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai

You are being unreasonably rude and hostile, and it's both uncalled for.

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It was a Question. Your reaction sounds more hostile then questioning a general sweeping statement.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

On one hand, it's best to have a cast change be done so it's smooth in the story and not sudden (ie: waiting for story relevance), but the story had done a good job of setting the stage for at least a bit of time of not having the whole gang around. Then we get into it and it's mostly a whole cast of Scions for the cast for the first patch content. While there had been time passing between end of 6.0 and 6.1's launch, I think things may have been better if they had started off and had the first dungeon be with a group of others and maybe just G'raha (we did promise him an adventure after all) if any Scion was to be present. Then either have that dungeon or quest be relevant to what the other Scions were doing or bring them in with the next patch. Or have something happen that requires us to bring in our Scion companions - like the group of adventurers and maybe G'raha as well being captured by the voidsent. Also gives a better reason for the Scions to suddenly be together - they're rescuing people from the void and maybe one of their own.

And this is someone who is not tired of the current Scions and is just fine with them sticking around for some time.

With the time bubble the game exists in, sometimes the game doesn't do a good job of indicating that "time" has passed. Having patch content featuring us doing a dungeon without the aid of the usual suspects (or at least without most of them) would have gone a long way towards showing that time having passed.

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I do think that, going by what we've seen, the team we'll have with us in the 13th makes a lot of sense and have good reason/motivation to be accompanying us.

And whilst am more than willing to concede that I may have missed something, do the other Scions even know that we're taking this little 'trip'?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Hey man, you better Share!

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I would, but I'm worried about your blood pressure

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Originally Posted by hagare

I would, but I'm worried about your blood pressure

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Good call, I probly shouldn't.

I will go with tentatively excited for my thoughts on it all, mainly in regards to the MSQ. I will say in regards to the ongoing discussion I do hope we can expand the Trust system to use the Azem crystal to summon in our allies as eventually fulfilling "We need one of each of these roles present in the MSQ for the Trust dungeon" will get tiresome in my own opinion. I am also in the camp of I did want a break from all the Scions but hey at least I can escape them in my Island Sanctuary and Pandemonium I suppose. The rest of the content outside of MSQ seems rather interesting and as much as I may dislike Hildebrand I will still go do my relic as I like the grinds myself . I am really looking forward to Island Sanctuary and the gathering beast tribe, especially due to the adorable mounts from both as I will be super torn between using space jellyfish, mandragora, or defaulting back to amaro. I really also want to see the raid storyline and lament Themis deserved better. I really should wrap up Tataru's side quest as well before the patch as I put if off due to other game releases but i am excited for a continuation for that as well.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

News flash...this isn't All RPGS...this is FFXIV.
Story structure doesn't work 100% the same across all mediums, its pretty boring to think all of storytelling is told exactly the same. And patch 6.2 only proved me right, that when it was relevant, they would introduce new characters. You can disagree, but 6.2 is fact vs your Opinion.
Also, we dont know who this person is or their motivations, so why would they just be there in Thavnir and just suddenly join us on a wild treasure hunt? Because you want a new face immediately?...not very compelling my dude.

But hey, the post MSQ is starting to pick up, so now we can look foreword to future developments.
Speculation is cute, but we wont know whats happening next until it happens. As constantly Proven year after year.

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There is no reason why 6.1 couldn't have picked up the pace by cutting the sequences with G'raha Tia's usual behavior and the other scenes that weren't conducive to getting the player involved in the meat of the upcoming arc. Mercenaries and adventurers hang out in pubs. Picking up new party members there may not be as compelling as say, the rescue mission that led to the recruitment of Ryne, but better that and get it done fast than subject us to any more moments than necessary with the scions who've been around for 10 years. People have gotten bored of them. Keeping them around instead of introducing new characters who can deliver on fresh arcs and diverse personalities/origins wouldn't be to the benefit of the game long term.

This was readily apparent from talking to players who both liked and disliked Endwalker, but 6.1 did not deliver in terms of new party members. This wasn't received all that well from either group, but with Vrtra directly confirmed to be joining us in the dungeon as can be clearly seen in the trailer, and the reaper either joining us in the main party or as a support npc in the dungeon prior to her full recruitment, they finally stand to give players what they've been asking for.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

There is no reason why 6.1 couldn't have picked up the pace by cutting the sequences with G'raha Tia's usual behavior and the other scenes that weren't conducive to getting the player involved in the meat of the upcoming arc. Mercenaries and adventurers hang out in pubs. Picking up new party members there may not be as compelling as say, the rescue mission that led to the recruitment of Ryne, but better that and get it done fast than subject us to any more moments than necessary with the scions who've been around for 10 years. People have gotten bored of them. Keeping them around instead of introducing new characters who can deliver on fresh arcs and diverse personalities/origins wouldn't be to the benefit of the game long term.

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Subjective Opinion, one that you are more then welcome to have, but thats just not how they decided to tell their story.
Ya'll can be bored while the rest of us can enjoy things. And when(not IF) they introduce new characters, they will come when they are needed and scripted to appear. No sooner, no later.
My faith in this team and game hasn't been forsaken, they keep me excited and curious at every turn.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

It was a Question. Your reaction sounds more hostile then questioning a general sweeping statement.

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My reaction is fed up and you're contributing to it by being willfully obtuse. As I said before, Aveyond doesn't make sweeping statements so much as this fora chooses to interpret it that way to discredit them before they even engage with their argument. Aveyond is not obligated to say "This is my opinion, to be clear" before everything they write, it's presumptuous to expect them to go to such lengths just to make an observation.

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News flash...this isn't All RPGS...this is FFXIV.

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See this here? Saying "News Flash!" is also a snippy remark meant to belittle someone before chastising them. It's smart-alec and makes you come off as unpleasant before you even begin to speak. If the posters on here are gonna be both rampant in their tone-policing whilst also being sensitive as the driven snow, then I suppose I'll just have to join y'all. So sorry.

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Subjective Opinion,

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Seems here it is again, making sure Aveyond knows to state it's their opinion and only theirs. It ends up coming across as more dismissive than helpful. But whatever, maybe it's just me. I'm finished riding your security coattails for the evening.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Im not bored of them, no one I have asked is...so with all due respect, how do you know this?

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So, because you and some mythical, invisible conclave of people who agree with you are perfectly satisfied with the patch that makes Aveyond wrong? Starting to wonder if we might have to ask you where your sources are and what they've been saying.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Under what criterion? How do you come to that assessment on what is good for the game long term and what isnt?

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That question can just as easily be turned back at you, for you've proven just as reliable as those you accuse at providing sources to your conclave of invisible supporters. But why the sudden inquisition? What have you got to prove? What information are you seeking? And most importantly, are you satisfied with your life that consists of grilling Aveyond for meaningless details about their opinions of Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

The comic relief that appears to make up the Omicron Beast Tribe quests and the Relic aren't directly being forced into my field of view in the main story, but it is still quite uncomfortable seeing the Loporrits dance just next to what is known in other languages as the Crater of Martyrs.

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Gotta love Endwalker's "message" eh, Aveyond? Yoshida literally created a scene where mythical moon rabbits dance on the grave of the Saviour of the Star himself. How utterly GALLING.

50 points, Yoshida!