The Alliance roulette is unbearable

The roulettes are divided by type way more than level of the instance. Newer raids or dungeons have mechanics, are more complex while old stuff is way easier and quicker. Also if you queue for given roulette type rarely, say alliance raid - you can get a newer instance that you did like once and by now forgotten the mechanics - not so fun - so a somewhat player defined subset could be better (or option to see the instance name beforehand somehow).

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Originally Posted by Atma

How many times in the past month have you wiped to people starting Atomos early because they still have not realized it doesn't work like a normal boss and you wait BEFORE the line for people to get there, NOT past it?

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I'm not 100% certain but I think it's still fine to step just inside the line, but the problems start when people think they can enter and get in position on the coloured circles.

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Originally Posted by Atma

Creating a "Castrum Meridianum V2.0" situation is probably undesirable. Penalizing someone for the choices (or abilities) of others by reducing their experience potential is probably not for the best.



Oh, I know they don't care. I've just got this Lost Banish slotted, so I'm dropping it on any illusions that some people still suffer from.

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That's not what's being proposed at all, what's being proposed is that if you queue on a high level character you should queue with the highest gear available to you on that character to allow for the most possible matches in duties. It wouldn't matter what duty you get, only that you queued on a high level character with high level gear. If you queue lvl 80 ilvl530 the bonus proposed would be the same whether you get crystal tower or nier raids

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'm not 100% certain but I think it's still fine to step just inside the line, but the problems start when people think they can enter and get in position on the coloured circles.

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I've seen people get zinged by them being barely past the line after they sit in the arena for a certain period of time when no one else had even entered. It was myself, and 1 other person, waiting for everyone who had gotten clipped by heavy. They were just past the line, I had almost finished typing "you probably shouldn't be inside..." and zwoop, aggro line on them.

That aggro is busted, random, and broken. I've been clipped myself being barely inside the line with others barely inside the line, I wasn't even the closest person.

i just don't see why i'd want to get an ivalice raid if it's giving me the exact same xp as a syrcus tower run.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

I would be willing to bet the people doing it couldn't care less whether some random person on the forum thinks it is morally ok or not.

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Can confirm, do not care. The newbie waiting in line trying to get their roulette to pop will get it to pop eventually. Like 15-20 minutes when I tried it out today for an Ivalis one just to see.

Some random player’s boredom/dislike at getting the same dungeon does not supersede my own frustration/dislike at the higher level raids.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Just make rewards scale lower if your Item level is significantly below what it should be for your job level. A level 70 character shouldn't have ilvl130 and shouldn't get full xp for queueing like that.

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On the contrary the way the game is currently, you can easily over level and end up in iLvl 130 gear at level 60 and not have access to higher level gear nor to the level 60 raids because you are still not there in the story and both the gear and missions are locked behind the completion of HW. I have lvl 90 jobs on a character and am still stuck in lvl 70 msq content. I don’t see why ppl should be penalized if they can’t even queue for the level 60 raids. Raids other than CT are also completely optional.

Splitting the raids in 2 roulettes, CT and optional raids with a variation of rewards based on time and difficulty seems much better: you incentivize people to unlock and do the optional ARs instead of needlessly penalizing people for something that they may not even have access to. It’s not only much simpler to implement, ppl would also still do CT as it would have its own reward, thus allowing newer players to complete their MSQ without waiting endlessly.

And maybe I got lucky, I got Tower at Paradigm and 4 Ivalice raids in a row to pop on an alt in the past 5 days. However, a few people left each time.

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Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran

i just don't see why i'd want to get an ivalice raid if it's giving me the exact same xp as a syrcus tower run.

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If you have to run those raids for relics or glamour or Wondrous Tails, then it's nice to have them come up in the roulette instead of having to queue specifically for them.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

On the contrary the way the game is currently, you can easily over level and end up in iLvl 130 gear at level 60 and not have access to higher level gear nor to the level 60 raids because you are still not there in the story and both the gear and missions are locked behind the completion of HW. I don’t see why ppl should be penalized if they can’t even queue for the level 60 raids.

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Someone that overleveled compared to the story doesn't need the full experience reward since they will get plenty more xp from MSQ. So it's not a penalty for them in practice.

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Originally Posted by ElenaRedoran

i just don't see why i'd want to get an ivalice raid if it's giving me the exact same xp as a syrcus tower run.

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They're more fun than going autopilot on Syrcus Tower for the 10,000th time or trying to remember your level 50 rotation. This may come as a shock but some people also play this game to have fun, not grind out the most efficient xp like a robot over and over.