The tawdry female bosses are tiresome, and we could do with more male fanservice.

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

I know some people ask a butt slider (and since it has been asked for women it would be unfair that men don't have) but... here it is a very weird big butt :p

Though the antennae are the most disturbing part :D

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Instead of a bubble butt he's got a bumble butt.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

And tell me, how can you be certain that you are not the one indoctrinated by our current culture?

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Thousands and thousands of years of documented Patriarchy in 99% of all society.

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

What a joke. Neo-feminists are the first who clame genders exist when it is time to attack feminity or masculinity as soon as it serves their purpose.

Women must do more craftmanships!
Women must have access to scientific studies!

The problem is... Sweden case do the demonstration that when they have a "free" choice, in cultures where women are the less influenced by stereotypes, they will choose this kind of activities neo-feminist accuse "patricarchy" to call feminine and to "lock" women in.
In Asia, it is the whole opposite. Many women who have access to studies at high level will choose sciences and to be engineer.

Based on neo-feminist claming, this kind of thing is just totally impossible and shouldn't exist/happen.

What you call "objectivity" against "patriarchal" construction IS a construction too and it's not even half objective. It is just another biais, a non assumed misandrie. Neo-feminists just want to play some kind of amazon game but don't assume it.

You are just playing with words to protect your unobjective militancy.

There is nothing to construct or to deconstruct, just to let people choose what they want based on their tastes (as soon as they respect laws, of course). Nothing more, nothing less.

The worst, in fine, they clame they want to imitate men in what they have worst : these damn stupid ego games. These games, as a man, I've always despised since they are most of time only utterly plain stupid.

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I think you are conflating Neo-Feminism with modern Feminism. Neo-Feminism is a small counter-movement that believes Women are superior to Men, and that Women should conform to gender roles, rather than seeking equality.

Look, Women can do whatever they like, if they want to do historically "feminine" things then that's their choice. My issue is when society tells you what a Woman should do. If a Woman wants to stay home and be a housewife and cook and clean, it should be because it's something she chooses to do, not because society dictates that it's something she should do, as a Woman.

There is no inherent Masculine or Feminine activities, or interests. Only thousands of years of men, the ruling class, the church, telling women what they can and can't do.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Technically the burden of proof lies with you to disprove me.

On what exactly are calling drivel though? The idea that men and women are different and therefore interested in different things? The ideology believing otherwise?

Look up David Reimer as an example of how someone is raised doesn't change their nature.

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Sorry but that's just BS. You can't just say something and then say the burden of proof is on other to disprove you, that's not how the world works at all. Otherwise I could make any insane claim I wanted and say the burden is on you to prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Randomly found this and thought it was hilarious. Maybe they can make him a boss if they ever do a VII crossover:
https://i.imgur.com/g2n1Bf5.jpg

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Sephiroth, Cloud and Zack as the Magus Sisters is something I would love to see.

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Originally Posted by TheRealQuah

Thousands and thousands of years of documented Patriarchy in 99% of all society.

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Like the Unicorn Kingdom and other mythical places.

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Sorry but that's just BS. You can't just say something and then say the burden of proof is on other to disprove you, that's not how the world works at all. Otherwise I could make any insane claim I wanted and say the burden is on you to prove me wrong.

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Not different than trying to state something as "the truth" and just giving a vague (and generic) argument. And when asked for more solid stuff is responded with "is not my job to educate you".

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There is no inherent Masculine or Feminine activities, or interests

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Then how you explain the overrepresentation of women/men in certain sectors that still happens today even a myriad of measures has been put in place?

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

I always did find it funny that all of the female Primals/Auspices/Lightwardens are basically just "Human woman, but with slightly different features" while the males are all inhuman monsters.

The biggest exceptions would be Garuda, who is based on a human woman anyway, and Tesleen I suppose.

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Poor Tesleen got the short end of the stick. I could be very wrong, but it seems like most of the other female sin eaters use the succubus-style body while Tesleen went full beast-mode.

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Originally Posted by TheRealQuah

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I get your point about the free choice. I have nothing against that.

But the matter of patriarchy is far more and subtile than that and sometimes, the "documented" patriarchy is often just the view from the XIX/XXth bourgeoisie (or what mainstrem journalism or school teachers keep as "historical truth") . For many people from low classes they were just doing what they can in order to survive. Women were helping in the fields too. It's just it was more easy to give the activity that require the most strenght to men and to keep someone to take care of the children and to deal with the farmyard. We can't be in two place in the same time.

This said, I agree monotheisms are pretty patriarchals.

About feminism and neo-feminism. Maybe. The thing that makes me sad is when women clame they want to act the same way than men, despising courteousness. It is even worst when they talk a way that lets think they would prefer to be one on these primitive brainless proud arm rather than both feminine and wise...

When you haven't been pandered to in five minutes and REALLY want to complain about it.

No one. Not one single female beauty in this game compares to my lord, Zenos.

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Originally Posted by Ammokkx

I don't really give a shit about Fanservice in most cases, but what grinds my gears is when they strip away parts of a perfectly good outfit for the female variant. As a man of culture, and one who is using a female avatar, I can't count you the amount of times where I thought a piece of gear would've just been good if it didn't have a dumb belly, chest or shoulder spot.

I think men should be able to run around in thongs and women in bikinis all they like, but when the male level 50 dragoon gear is kickass as shit(infamous example, yes, I know), and then the female variant has more holes than a swiss cheese, I get more than a bit irate. That being said, when both outfits are equally revealing for both genders, I'm all for it, too.

Point is, while I don't really care if the bosses are all scantily clad women, I really hate having to wear a dumber, less cool-looking variant of a piece of gear simply because I'm playing with a female character. It's why you'll see me run around in the only suits of armor and robes that cover my whole body, since I like that aesthetic much more than whatever the hell this was meant to accomplish.

It looks dumb.

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For the most part I agree with you, but I'm willing to give Halone's Mail a pass because it's clearly aiming for a classical "war goddess" look rather than functional armour - seeing as Halone is the war goddess of the Eorzean pantheon, and it's consistent with in-game statues of her.

I'm also guessing you may not have looked too closely at the male version beyond noting that it doesn't have an exposed chest, because what it has instead is far more ridiculous-looking. That's not just a pattern on the metal, it's a whole 3D bust of Halone that juts out of the chest armour. Probably-unintended visual pun aside, I have no idea what they might have been thinking when they did that. It looks awful.

The dragoon mail is a different thing entirely, since that is designed as functional battle armour in conservative (and cold!) Ishgard. Everything about it goes against design sense.

Re: dragoon armor
Apart from agreeing on the hate of the chest window on females, I'd add the ninja one. Perfectly nice and functional on males, miniskirt and fishnet stockings on females. What?