Ishgardian Restoration world visit.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

So those wanderers making content off server should be kicked when the fate spawns is that what you're suggesting? Obviously lots aren't contributing (and thats not solely a wanderer issue) but for those who are. Seems the problem isn't the wanderers but the one instance that everyone is trying to be funneled into.

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I think the issue is being exacerbated by the discord servers popping up regarding the rebuild. People are organizing timetables of the upcoming fates on all servers across data centers (I'm looking at one right now). People aren't happening to chance upon a fate's time to fire off, they are planning in advance and camping to make sure they get in. So when you have, for instance, A at 7:00, B at 8:00, and C at 9:00, B is getting flooded with the horde from the discord (which filters out to CWLS and LS) to the next one to make sure they get in. So players on their own home worlds are getting locked out for long periods of time.

But you make a really good point though. It would be just as rude to force kick a Wanderer out right as it starts after they spent their time waiting.

Just my personal opinion: I think Wanderers should NOT be allowed inside instances of The Firmament with a FATE coming up, and five minutes before it is scheduled to begin, anyone can get in if there is room. Give the Home World players ample time to get in first. If you are a Wanderer in The Firmament and the progress bar completes, then you are given notice you have 10 minutes to leave the instance or you will be removed. Also, add an AFK timer to ALL players on ALL worlds of an AFK timer in The Firmament - just like in Eureka. There have been tons and tons of people hanging out in Firmament just because it is new and there is a crowd. People are standing around emoting afk for hours, etc - and they are preventing the people who are trying to participate from entering.

Personally I think they should allow Wanderer's to join in the resteration Fate, but they should not be rewarded (or at the very least awarded very little) as to disincentive world hopping to farm the fate and take away opportunities from world locals. If Wanderer's want to help, it should be mostly out of generosity to help that world and not out of greed for scripts and exp.

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Originally Posted by JBee

There have been tons and tons of people hanging out in Firmament just because it is new and there is a crowd. People are standing around emoting afk for hours, etc - and they are preventing the people who are trying to participate from entering.

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Yes it's a problem and yes discord servers do lots of things from organizing hunts, to BA to the Firmament. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The problem isn't the organization or the people hanging out but the fact that SE didn't have the foresight to realize that one instance was going to be a major problem. Lets hope they can remedy this quickly and add more instances. i'm personally against locking people out but I can understand why people are upset.

The problem I have is that I found out about the lock outs the hard way. I had gathered a bunch of stuff, turned in a ton items towards the progress and leave to get more mats, only to come back and find out that I can't go back in and had to wait almost a hour to turn in the items I had been making.

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Originally Posted by Gula

This entire thread is like seeing an Ul'dah child throwing a tantrum because they got 270 presents for their nameday instead of 300 like last year. And it has not even been 3 days.

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Except, according to everyone who has tried to participate in this, for them, it was like Santa wrote them a loving letter about receiving all sorts of presents just for them and the people who live in their house. Somehow word got out about this and everyone and their dog flooded their house. Leaving you and everyone else who lives in that house locked out.

That alone is pissing people off. And wouldn't you be pissed off if you couldn't even enjoy something given to you?

I only have one character that could attempt this but going by what I witness the other night in Gridania, it would be a waste of time. Eureka may have had people who simply afk and waited but at least the fate itself would scale to the number of people taking part. This made it possible for everyone to have a chance regardless of if you helped or not. Based on the responses in this thread this is NOT happening. Everyone can't participate even if they helped.

Heck, I was interested in this too but I honestly thought this would be a combination of Doma and side stories for crafters and gatherers but instead, we got this. And honestly, I'm not even going to try. Mind as well wait until this is done.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Yes it's a problem and yes discord servers do lots of things from organizing hunts, to BA to the Firmament. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The problem isn't the organization or the people hanging out but the fact that SE didn't have the foresight to realize that one instance was going to be a major problem. Lets hope they can remedy this quickly and add more instances. i'm personally against locking people out but I can understand why people are upset.

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I would imagine that the "emergency measures" that Yoshi-P referenced is, likely, instanced areas for the Firmament. That is pure speculation, however - but I feel it would alleviate a lot of the issues that people are facing right now. Then, you can adjust the FATE based off how many crafters are present. This algorithm is already in the game, as known by open-world FATEs who adjust mob spawns based on the number of players present.

It should have come out with at least 1 extra instance in the first place, especially with world visit open. SE should have more than enough data and info at this point that they knew Discords and CWL's would be made specifically for calling out fate timers for people to just go and get in on them, regardless of if they actually helped spawn it or not.

Yeah I'm glad Yoshi addressed it, but it's still a MASSIVE oversight on everyone involved, they specifically made a way for people to instantly communicate cross world, but somehow, SOMEHOW did not foresee that being used in the way it is even with a long history of discord being used to organize things in the game.

This problem will, most likely sort its self out eventually, with people getting the max rewards and leaving the content leaving just people seeking the rewards and grinding levels. But it shouldn't have even had to be like this in the first place if SE applied even a tiny bit of common sense.

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Originally Posted by Travi

I would imagine that the "emergency measures" that Yoshi-P referenced is, likely, instanced areas for the Firmament. That is pure speculation, however - but I feel it would alleviate a lot of the issues that people are facing right now. Then, you can adjust the FATE based off how many crafters are present. This algorithm is already in the game, as known by open-world FATEs who adjust mob spawns based on the number of players present.

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Actually, FATEs don't actively scale based on the number of players currently present. They scale based on the numbers of players that completed it previously. I'm also not sure if adding more instances could work, since they might not be able to sync the progress of all three instances.

Just lock entry of transfers to the Firmament once the bar is filled and the cooldown to the FATE kicks in. If someone wants to idle like 4 hours or whatever, I guess good for them, but it'll give the people of the server a better chance to participate, themselves.

Kinda silly it's 1:16am and I'm locked out of my own world's atm.

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Originally Posted by Bellsong

It should have come out with at least 1 extra instance in the first place, especially with world visit open. SE should have more than enough data and info at this point that they knew Discords and CWL's would be made specifically for calling out fate timers for people to just go and get in on them, regardless of if they actually helped spawn it or not.

Yeah I'm glad Yoshi addressed it, but it's still a MASSIVE oversight on everyone involved, they specifically made a way for people to instantly communicate cross world, but somehow, SOMEHOW did not foresee that being used in the way it is even with a long history of discord being used to organize things in the game.

This problem will, most likely sort its self out eventually, with people getting the max rewards and leaving the content leaving just people seeking the rewards and grinding levels. But it shouldn't have even had to be like this in the first place if SE applied even a tiny bit of common sense.

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Its really easy for someone not a dev working on a critically acclaimed game to say its common sense when it goes wrong, but I genuinely don't think they expected it to be on this scale.