Male Viera... Unsubbing for now.

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Originally Posted by ThunderGodThor

And I hope one day soon, you get to play as a bunny boi or big beefy lion woman. :3

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Aww, thank you! I was a little bit interested in male Viera myself. I don't really care for most of the male counterparts of races in FFXIV, they're all either too beefy or too tall. There's not really a race that fits the typical FF male main character archetype lookwise, all of them are quite slim and not that muscular. I was hoping maybe male Viera would fit into that, and if it didn't, no harm done I have my female Au Ra. I'm sure there's people who would have enjoyed male Viera no matter how tall or muscular they turned out to be.

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Originally Posted by Villa101

We aren't talking about history. We are talking about now, and still to this day a muscular ass dude with a giant weapon in modern fiction is the male power fantasy in a lot of ways. And I wasn't suggesting Vierra change, just they included pretty male ones, as well.

2) roe being least popular doesn't throw that away. Because

- There might just be a lot of women and LGBTQ folks who play ff14 and have no interest in playing roe

- The men playing this game might be satisfied enough by how muscular the humans are. Or might find roe visually unappealing for other reasons.

Just because the roe and the lion boys potentially not being successful doesn't mean that they do not fall into that category. Infact it makes me question why SE made this decision in the first place.

No one is claiming people have more right to anything. I'm arguing for inclusion would literally make everyone happy.

ff14 doesn't exist in a vaccume, every mmo has giant muscle orc men. Having one that had more less giant and manly and prittier dudes, is a novel idea that should be embraced. Having more options for things like that is better options, and they could have just added the lion dudes later

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how is it inclusion, if you are saying they shouldnt have made this "male power fantasy" race. How is it a male power fantasy if it isnt actually a fantasy for most males? You realize the concept of the super diesel powerful male is only a thing recently (last 20-30 years) and only in America, and its not even the most common or popular male fantasy. In fact now, its already a rarity. Look up idealized male, and you wont find the majority to be steroid body builders, and very few generally husky males.

if they only had resources/allotment/time/demand for two races, they would have had to make a choice, they cant have everything for everyone. Dont bring gender norms into a game where there is only one large male race and 3 slim male races.


i agree large cat male race probably wont be super popular in FF, because in the ff world large males are the unloved under represented outlier, so it makes no sense in this case to argue that hrothgar is pandering to the norms, and excluding those who prefer slim, prettier males, they already have 3 males for that.

its fine to say you want more, but dont act like FF is all of a sudden some hyper masculine male fantasy because 2 out of 7 male body types are large.

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

Well this is the same nonsensical lore nonsense that people have been spewing here for pages. It makes as much sense for there to be male Keepers and Duskwight Elezen as it does male Viera, all of them are incredibly rare when it comes to lore and it makes no sense lorewise for there to be running thousands of player characters playing as them. Why is male Viera different now all of a sudden? Gender politics don't even need to be taken into account to see that there is a problem, we haven't had gender locked races since 1.0, why is it okay now?

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You do remember that during one of the lore sessions they did state that all those others are just mere adventurers right? As in they walked off the beaten path of the racial norm? Given there is only one Warrior of Light and all that

Male Viera is also a creation of FF12, Respect and wishes of the FF12 team were taken into consideration clearly with this during Ivalice's creation in 14. Which once again, if anyone were to create a male Viera, it should be them. (The FF12 team)

Also lore wise, they have their reason, but it can easily be a guise for developmental reasons. And of course, SE love to keep with the fantasy aspect for why and not say 'because we have not many people on our team', do you know the possible outrage that would occur if they said it was due to 'development'? Would be a bloodbath

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

Aww, thank you! I was a little bit interested in male Viera myself. I don't really care for most of the male counterparts of races in FFXIV, they're all either too beefy or too tall. There's not really a race that fits the typical FF male main character archetype lookwise, all of them are quite slim and not that muscular. I was hoping maybe male Viera would fit into that, and if it didn't, no harm done I have my female Au Ra. I'm sure there's people who would have enjoyed male Viera no matter how tall or muscular they turned out to be.

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hyur elezen and miquote males are slim, anf hyur and miquote are short. you can adjust musclness with a slider. I doubt male vierra would be slimmer than midlander hyur.

based on these early concepts

https://nightwing.stevivor.com/wp-co...male-viera.jpg

looks like they would be inbetween miquote and au ra in terms of build.

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Originally Posted by Physic

hyur elezen and miquote males are slim, anf hyur and miquote are short. you can adjust musclness with a slider. I doubt male vierra would be slimmer than midlander hyur.

based on these early concepts

https://nightwing.stevivor.com/wp-co...male-viera.jpg

looks like they would be inbetween miquote and au ra in terms of build.

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midlanders and miqo'te aren't "slim." Midlander has a generic average build with adjustable muscle tone. Miqo'te are rather muscular with an average upper body and slightly thinner lower body without an adjustable muscle tone.

Elezen are a little more on the lithe side yes, but they are very lanky with their odd proportions and they look bulky still, and again no adjustable muscle tone

We have no lithe male in the sense that it is more petite and frail looking.

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Originally Posted by Senliten

You do remember that during one of the lore sessions they did state that all those others are just mere adventurers right? As in they walked off the beaten path of the racial norm? Given there is only one Warrior of Light and all that

Male Viera is also a creation of FF12, Respect and wishes of the FF12 team were taken into consideration clearly with this during Ivalice's creation in 14. Which once again, if anyone were to create a male Viera, it should be them.

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What does it matter if they're just "mere adventurers"? Adventurer isn't a race, and a representative of a race being an adventurer still means that there's more of that race in the world, which in turn contradicts the lore.

And yeah, I would have been a little more understanding if they had actually made it a point that was why they chose not to add them, instead of you know, just saying nothing, ignoring that they exist and pretending that a gender locked race is nothing new and no problem at all. Also there's a lot of people from the FFXII team actually working on XIV, and we literally just had Matsuno, the creator of Ivalice designing a whole raid series for us, I'm sure Yoshida could have asked for his blessing any time during the development. And well considering it was in the series Matsuno created for us in XIV that he decided to add all that male Viera lore into this game, clearly confirming not only that they exist in general but on Hydaelyn as well.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

midlanders and miqo'te aren't "slim." Midlander has a generic average build with adjustable muscle tone. Miqo'te are rather muscular with an average upper body and slightly thinner lower body without an adjustable muscle tone.

Elezen are a little more on the lithe side yes, but they are very lanky with their odd proportions and they look bulky still, and again no adjustable muscle tone

We have no lithe male in the sense that it is more petite and frail looking.

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This is exactly it. I don't really have much more to add to it. Elezen are the only race that kind of fit the bill but no male FF main character is that tall.

When it comes to me hoping that male Viera might have had the slimmer build, first of all, not all concept art is representative of the released version, see Au Ra for plenty of examples on that and second, me hoping it could have been like that doesn't mean that I was even expecting for them to look like that. It was one of those situations for me personally that it would have been nice if it happened but I wouldn't have been here flipping tables if I didn't get my wish, as unlikely as it was.

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

Well this is the same nonsensical lore nonsense that people have been spewing here for pages. It makes as much sense for there to be male Keepers and Duskwight Elezen as it does male Viera, all of them are incredibly rare when it comes to lore and it makes no sense lorewise for there to be running thousands of player characters playing as them. Why is male Viera different now all of a sudden? Gender politics don't even need to be taken into account to see that there is a problem, we haven't had gender locked races since 1.0, why is it okay now?

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Right, but the Keepers/Miqo'te are a race for XIV. The Viera have existed and had Lore way before this game.
And literally, the entire issue is a Gender Politic.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Right, but the Keepers/Miqo'te are a race for XIV. The Viera have existed and had Lore way before this game.
And literally, the entire issue is a Gender Politic.

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And with these you can point out to 1.0, when there were no male Miqo'te, neither female Roegadyn or Highlander. Also a race being pulled from one game, doesn't mean it's the same in this game, and again, even before Viera even being mentioned in XIV, we knew male Viera were a thing in Ivalice, just not ever shown. You can make it about politics all you want, to me first and foremost it's about missing game features that we've been trained to expect from the game since they relaunced it. And I'm not saying you can't make the gender politics argument, it's definitely there as well.

they are slim, but not the slimmest. Elezen male is proportionally the slimmest male, but midlander is on the slimmer scale of average

http://i.imgur.com/5FS5907.jpg

vs slim male google image search

https://www.google.com/search?biw=12...30.IUT8U99OSBY

so elezen is the most slim, midlander is the slim/regular Highlander/aura is the athletic muscular, roe is the unrealistic large/stocky.

they dont have any super slim dudes but they also have no super slim women.

the only slim frail charachters in this game or children, basically alphinaud.