Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

They should remove all cutscenes from these dungeons and just have like a 2 hour long text speech from the scions detailing everything that happened inside... problem solved

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You mean like the second disc of Xenogears? Remember how well that turned out...

And, FYI, sarcasm doesn't work well in print...

I honestly stopped doing MSQ Roulette ages ago when I stopped needing Poetics. Unless you absolutely want to help people get through those instances there was never a good reason to run that Roulette over doing anything else, like PotD for example, after getting all your Roulette Daily Bonuses for the day. That said, this ultimately should not impact anything in a negative way. If anything, it'll make people who used the Roulette solely for the sake of farming EXP and Poetics realize there are better ways by making them stop queueing for it, and those that actually want to watch cutscenes are no longer forced to skip them as people that have already done those instances and continue to queue for them accept the cutscene viewing.

In the end, everyone will get something out of this.

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Originally Posted by Joe777

In the end, everyone will get something out of this.

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Yes, new players will be getting a lot out of this, a lot of time sitting on a queue.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

This isn't an eff up on SEs part. This is SEs deliberate eff u to speed runners of an instance that for years now, does not get run as intended. These instances, especially Prae, are a nightmare for new players who aren't even allowed to see which direction faces up.

I commend SE for sticking to their guns with this. It doesn't mean I'lol be queueing up for it unless I want the full experience I was denied two years ago.

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No, this is a mess up by SE.

They have admitted time and time again that Prae and CM were failures, which is why they are the only two dungeons like them in the game. They learned from that mess up and have not made dungeons like that since. So for them to do something stupid like this is infuriating.

It's no players fault that they paced these dungeons badly. You cannot blame people for not wanting to sit and watch someone watch cut scenes for an hour.

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Originally Posted by Jatoi

and have the possibility of dealing with an irritated group of people. Being in a party with grumpy members is no fun and they gotta stick with it or else they'll be waiting even longer.

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Or worse if others take their frustrations to the extreme. There was a thread a while back from a sprout who was in one of these dungeons and one person in the party was so irate over them watching cut scenes. Said player then proceeded to bring up nearly every single major plot point spoiler in 2.0, 3.0 and some of 4.0 to them.

I think people are also forgetting that not all newbies /want/ to dedicate two full hours to both those instances and their cutscenes. I certainly didn't, I was happier watching them later using the Inn function and then Youtube for the ones that weren't there. This sort of change hurts them the most and essentially acts as yet another wall, though a quite fitting one given the hell that is 2.1 to 2.55 that they're about to endure. It was fine before. People who wanted to skip /could/ and people who didn't could put up a PF or ask their guildmates for help. This is just SE creating far more problems.

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Originally Posted by Aylis

Or worse if others take their frustrations to the extreme. There was a thread a while back from a sprout who was in one of these dungeons and one person in the party was so irate over them watching cut scenes. Said player then proceeded to bring up nearly every single major plot point spoiler in 2.0, 3.0 and some of 4.0 to them.

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That's awful!

I like the idea of it being a solo-able instance or separated into different dungeons somehow. That way, things like that won't happen. This "fix" to CM and Prae hurts so much more than it helps...

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Originally Posted by Jatoi

That's awful!

I like the idea of it being a solo-able instance or separated into different dungeons somehow. That way, things like that won't happen. This "fix" to CM and Prae hurts so much more than it helps...

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It really does hurt more then it helps. They took places that despite being a powder keg ready to blow for the most part worked. Now they went and lite the fuse. I do agree making it an entirely solo instance would have been a better choice if not for maintaining the peace alone and so sprouts can watch their cut scenes in peace. Then put the final battle with Ultima as its own thing as an 8 player trial.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

No, this is a mess up by SE.

They have admitted time and time again that Prae and CM were failures, which is why they are the only two dungeons like them in the game. They learned from that mess up and have not made dungeons like that since. So for them to do something stupid like this is infuriating.

It's no players fault that they paced these dungeons badly. You cannot blame people for not wanting to sit and watch someone watch cut scenes for an hour.

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Indeed. This is the biggest screw up (and possibly the only major screw up) I've ever seen SE do so far. as such it stands out horribly and I thought they were smarter than this. This is literal "a 10 year old could do better" territory.

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Originally Posted by Joe777

If anything, it'll make people who used the Roulette solely for the sake of farming EXP and Poetics realize there are better ways by making them stop queueing for it

In the end, everyone will get something out of this.

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A few weeks ago I did these on an alt with my GF. We had a tank. The queue was 12 minutes. WITH A TANK!

Imagine how much longer it'll take once people, like you said, "notice it's not worth the time."