Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I know why they've made this change - it is, indeed, to favour those

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Well it just really makes no sense to put them in after the two months is up , because then they would do two things at once put them in duty finder then also unsync them all. You keep sayin that there are two options Vidu but we both know that its only one option and thats to make a learning party only (this is the only option that someone who doesnt have 10 hours to sit around and wait for a que has). You commented on my very thread I made on the subject I tried queing for sep before I cleared it , in rf, thordan as well sometimes even with friends not a single person joined not even one.

And with cross server party finder Im actually pretty sure rf itself was prob not even used at all hardly it was pretty much known that it was dead once cross server party finder came out. But I would say that maybe SE knows that some people would like to get clears while the content is somewhat relevant and that the filter had been in place long enough on this older content.

I dont really see them changing this simply because of the small window of time it is, because the fact is the two sides just simply arent going to agree on this. So the devs are in a sense giving us both a set amount of time to be accommodated because carry aside, its kind of annoying that every time you would like to do some content you have to broadcast your whole name and server all across your data center.

Thats one of the things I love best about duty finder its anonymous I dont have to worry about, someone knowing who I am and where I am from etc. And Ive also seen others say similar things as well, so its more than just oh we are lookin for a carry duty finder is just alot more convenient. So its not all about just forcing all these great skill players to come in to save the day for everyone its really just a feature that people like as well just like you enjoy the rf. So we have essentially both getting accommodated those whom like df are just getting less time to enjoy which is fine at least its something.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I dont really see them changing this simply because of the small window of time it is, because the fact is the two sides just simply arent going to agree on this. So the devs are in a sense giving us both a set amount of time to be accommodated becausecarry aside, its kind of annoying that every time you would like to do some content you have to broadcast your whole name and server all across your data center.

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Stop right there! "its kind of annoying that every time you would like to do some content you have to broadcast your whole name and server all across your data center." - I need to quote this again, because its so beautiful!
Yes, yes, it is annyoing - but guess what? It is annyoing for everyone - for the learning person as much as for the farming person.

Again: RF/DF wasnt locked for people who hadnt cleared it. Believe me, there was an option to queue for this content without having the kill! And if that didnt work, the reason for that is that not enough people at the time you were queueing wanted to do that content - its the same reason DPS has longer queuetimes: Not enough tanks and healers want to do that content right now. Should everyone change to tank/healer now?
RF wasnt blocked for those who didnt have the clear - mean, mean vets didnt stood before it and told them "Ey, sorry, you cant queue here!". Mean, mean vets simply decided "No, today, I dont want to teach this content, so I wont queue up for it" - if they queued up for the more convenient farm-option, joined a PF-party or did something totally different, isnt relevant.

Even if they wont change it now (I dont expected that), it is still very important to tell them "Hey, there are people who'd like to clear-checkbox to stay permanently - at least as an option in PF or even as an option in DF, because we'd like to able to queue with like-minded people, who want to farm aswell"

Making a PF for a farm group is as inconvenient for me as it is for you to make a PF for a learning party.
Yet you can use the more convenient tool - the DF - to potentially reach your goal. I cant.

I dont see them changing it for the current EX-primals either anymore, its to late for that - it is not to late for SB-Primals and making the devs aware that there are people out here who would like a farm-option in DF and a clear-filter in PF, to make farming easier. And that they would like this option to stay, instead of having a timeframe and getting told after that "Sorry, you're to late for farming now - but just in time to clear this for the first time! Oh... you did that already? And want the rewards now? Mmh... thats a bit unfortunate, you see, by now its only important that everyone gets their clear... so... you can go and help people? It will take way, way more time than farming would have and often you might not even get a clear, but thats really more important now!"

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Thats one of the things I love best about duty finder its anonymous I dont have to worry about, someone knowing who I am and where I am from etc. And Ive also seen others say similar things as well, so its more than just oh we are lookin for a carry duty finder is just alot more convenient. So its not all about just forcing all these great skill players to come in to save the day for everyone its really just a feature that people like as well just like you enjoy the rf. So we have essentially both getting accommodated those whom like df are just getting less time to enjoy which is fine at least its something.

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Ahhh anonymity. The great tool of tools for lazy insidious trolls who want to try and hide from any and all consequences of their actions. Got any better arguments? Cause that one falls flat on its face.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Ahhh anonymity. The great tool of tools for lazy insidious trolls who want to try and hide from any and all consequences of their actions. Got any better arguments? Cause that one falls flat on its face.

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tools ? I like privacy in real life so I am also very protective over my in game character as well and dont have time for nonsense in a video game. Especially if all that can be done is verbal arguments over a screen so whats the point. I just prefer to be anonymous by everyone's standards here the only thing I couldnt que for in the farm parties is zurvan. I have cleared everything else Ive done, but I personally refuse to ever join a party with ignorance in its description those are the tools not me. I can get into with someone but I prefer not to so I avoid such parties, and no its not because of the challenge, its the players.

This game is great but all the players just simply are not, I dont even use msq roullete for this same type of ignorance that seems to harvest itself in this game. Anonymous: the state of an individual's personal identity, or personally identifiable information, being publicly unknown. This is what some people like everyone doesnt want everyone knowing who they are , or would like to be able to select the ones whom do has nothing to do with being a tool. Tools are the ones who bird farm and post up in ideyshire on their mounts to show off while they are afk for hours thats not me.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

I'm wondering if there's a data center difference issue here. In my experience RF was useless for solo queue for every Ex fight except Sophia Ex and her queues died too in 3.5. This is from queuing on evenings and weekends as a dps or healer on the Primal Data Center.
And yes I was queuing Duty Complete.

The functionality was nice in theory but not useful if the queue never pops. It would be helpful if that functionality was added to PF to stop people from sneaking into farms.

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I'm on Primal.

Sophia died probably because by 3.5 a lot of people had their birds (the fight was really easy), in the first month at least it would pop relatively frequently and my clear rate was insanely high (it was actually better clear rate than PF for me) and I did about 20ish clears. On top of that they kinda killed her weapon with the Kinna weapons and by then people had 260 tome with Zurvan already having a better weapon.

Zurvan pretty much died immediately on NA because the skip soar 1 tank/5 dps method was unusable in RF because it forces 2 tanks and that strat spread like wildfire. I used zurvan RF incomplete on patch day with my gf and it was popping relatively fast. We stopped using it though because we went to PF to get into tether groups.

All the other trials before Sophia other than Rav/Bis were just moved into RF on the same patch as Sophia, they had DF queues before. I'm assuming they weren't working too well or they wouldn't have had to move them in the first place. Bis/Rav were excluded since I think people were already farming birds and getting clears in DF even if it was a bit tough.

So far it was pretty much only useful for Sophia EX for me. Other posters mentioned people used it to farm Creator Savage but I have a static so I didn't bother using it so I have no idea how good it was for that.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

tools ? I like privacy in real life so I am also very protective over my in game character as well and dont have time for nonsense in a video game. Especially if all that can be done is verbal arguments over a screen so whats the point.I just prefer to be anonymous by everyone's standards here the only thing I couldnt que for in the farm parties is zurvan.

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No one is asking you for your creditcard information or where you live when you join a farm-party, so being protective of your privacy by making sure to only ever meet and speak with randoms is going a bit overboard.

The problem with being "anonymous" in the game is the mindset that comes with it: "I'll never see those people again, it doesnt matter if I'm a douchebag" or, in less extreme terms "It doesnt matter that I'm queueing for this very difficult content that needs you to know and follow mechanics without knowing anything about them - I wont see those 7 people whos time I'm wasting ever again anyways"

I will be staying away from DF for the more difficult EX-primals (Thordan, Nidhogg, Sephirot - Sophia might have a chance; Bismarck and Ravana are faceroll thanks to us being overgeared) because learning parties in DF dont work very well, thanks to people not being accountable since its all "anonymous" in the sense of "I wont see those people again and if I mess up terribly its like no one will know!"

Also - I might prefer anonymous farm-parties, too! Why do you get to protect your "privacy", but I dont (anymore)? Why do you get the more convenient but I dont (anymore)?
When before we both had the option - please note: Those are rhetorical questions, they dont require an answer and the answer can surely not be "Because if you get to farm without setting up a PF-farm party I dont get you in my learning queue and thats unfair"

Instead of forcing people into learning groups they dont want to be in, they should make an incentive for people to help newbies learn - bonus tomes might be good enough for a dungeon that might take 5-10 minutes longer because of a new person, but they certainly arent for EX-primals: They take way longer to teach than a normal kill would and the kill (and with it, the tomes) arent even guaranteed - you might aswell spend the whole 60 minutes in an EX-primal or 90 minutes in a Savage-raid with nothing to show for in the end. You know what? If the timer runs out, you cant even give commendations!
To make it more attractive to even try they could do something like:
- An achievment that counts how many people were in a party and got their first clear with you present - if I run Sophia EX and 6 people are getting their first clear, thats 6 points for that achievment. Could only apply to EX-Primals (so it cant be "cheated" with 15 first time clears in VA or so), but doesnt has to be. There could be multiple achievements, just like the one for commendations, giving you titles, minions and mounts.
- Make at least commendations possible after the timer has run out - before you get kicked out, you get 2 more minutes to give out commendations.
- In addition to the commendation-part: Those could even be "special commendations" that count towards a new achievment, rewarding you and your party for sticking it out!

The current system, that simply removed the farm-DF-option, was a bad choice to get people to help newbies - its not giving them any motivation to do so, instead its "forcing" them. If they want us to help new people clear extreme content they need to give us more than just tomes - and they need to give us something, even if the duty failed.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Anonymous: the state of an individual's personal identity, or personally identifiable information, being publicly unknown. This is what some people like everyone doesnt want everyone knowing who they are , or would like to be able to select the ones whom do has nothing to do with being a tool. Tools are the ones who bird farm and post up in ideyshire on their mounts to show off while they are afk for hours thats not me.

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You know even if you use Duty Finder, if you pull up the contact list afterwards it shows the names of everyone that was in the party and the server they're from? You can even BL people from that list.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

tools ? I like privacy in real life so I am also very protective over my in game character as well and dont have time for nonsense in a video game. Especially if all that can be done is verbal arguments over a screen so whats the point. I just prefer to be anonymous by everyone's standards here the only thing I couldnt que for in the farm parties is zurvan. I have cleared everything else Ive done, but I personally refuse to ever join a party with ignorance in its description those are the tools not me. I can get into with someone but I prefer not to so I avoid such parties, and no its not because of the challenge, its the players.

This game is great but all the players just simply are not, I dont even use msq roullete for this same type of ignorance that seems to harvest itself in this game. Anonymous: the state of an individual's personal identity, or personally identifiable information, being publicly unknown. This is what some people like everyone doesnt want everyone knowing who they are , or would like to be able to select the ones whom do has nothing to do with being a tool. Tools are the ones who bird farm and post up in ideyshire on their mounts to show off while they are afk for hours thats not me.

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As Vaer said your name is already out there in everyone's contacts list who you run any content with. If you are that scared of social contact that you can't even stand the thought of others knowing your username have you maybe considered that MMORPGs or multiplayer games in general may not be for you? I mean, socializing is a pretty major part of these games.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

As Vaer said your name is already out there in everyone's contacts list who you run any content with. If you are that scared of social contact that you can't even stand the thought of others knowing your username have you maybe considered that MMORPGs or multiplayer games in general may not be for you? I mean, socializing is a pretty major part of these games.

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Perhaps they shouldn't post in the forums as well. :p

Any chance of the community sorting out this selfish behavior?

Queued for a few EX primals and AS (can't do that with RF). Got Thor EX. Upon entry, some of the bonuses commented on how players didn't want to be paired with them despite the changes just being made. I mentioned that xpf had been around for a few months. Their response? They didn't see any learning parties. I gave up all hope of completing the instance at that point, even before the first pull.

Tank pulls with no countdown and we wipe on the first dps check because what are mechanics (you know, the ones present in the story mode version)? After the first wipe, someone spends at least five minutes explaining the fight up to the two knights. We wipe some more on the dps check due to towers but eventually reach meteors, though most of the party is dead at the start of the phase. Party abandons. The end.

Instead of watching a 10-20 min video guide done by someone experienced in explaining mechanics and then creating a PF listing for individuals in the same situation, they decide to just queue up in DF and expect other players to explain the fights/carry them.

The devs could step in, but why not deal with it ourselves? Make it an unwritten rule that you don't queue with DF for HW EX primals not named Rav or Bis, or most of AS if you aren't at the final phase and you especially don't queue if have no experience and have not watched a guide.