Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

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Originally Posted by Elim

Some of the white knights need to read this post. The uncut version.

Also this is why SWTOR does not have very many subs for a AAA MMO. Players saw all the questionable decisions and lost faith in the dev team.

I fully expect something like this to happen again regardless of the outrage, and if some people really don't like it I don't blame them for leaving.

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Yup I'm already starting to do this. I''m fairly confident that SB will be good, but I'm already looking for another game to jump into in the mean time in case I'm wrong. I'm starting to lose faith, and there's only so much that others will take.

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Originally Posted by TaurielKyudo

On the other hand, no one KNOWS what the devs are going to do in the future. Everyone is just speculating and causing chaos for no reason. This could have been a "let's see what people think about this" type thing, and now they know. For all we know, they won't ever put in place a different way to get a weapon again besides raid/relic. I thought people wanted more options, but here they are implementing other ways to get a weapon, and people still complain. OP and others like them are literally quitting the game because they think the game is doomed now. In reality, no one knows anything about what they're going to do in SB. So calm down for one second, breathe, and judge the expac when it comes out. If you hate it then, fine, leave. Until then, ya'll are just going bat-shit crazy for nothing.

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I'm gonna clarify this once and for all. The reason why I'm so upset about this entire situation is because this completely breaks the reward structure in the game. Say whatever you want about "waaah you don't need the weapon to do the content", "it has random stats", "the chances of getting one for your job are so slim", etc. That doesn't change the fact that those weapons are currently the biggest carrot to get in the game and you get them by "winning the lottery". When you give the best reward by being extremely lucky with absolutely no ties to player skill (and the effort put into it is relative depending on said luck, if you got it on your 1st run or after 3 months) that tells me that the entire reward structure in the game is a joke and I shouldn't take it seriously anymore. Regardless of if it's a precedent for the future or not the reward structure IS ALREADY A JOKE, right now, this very minute. (By the way, for those who insist about the raid gear still making raiding worth it, there are jobs like NIN that may not use drops from A11S nor A12S at all now. That means only doing 9 and 10, where you can get carried in a corpse bag even on cross-server pf).

After the release I stopped playing for a few days and waited for the PAX panel to see if there was any new development about it. Was hoping for Yoshi to say that they may be considering adjustments, or that this is part of a bigger plan with more stuff coming soon (like maybe ways to upgrade raid weapons/gear), etc. Instead his response was that everybody should "calm down" and that this is perfectly fine just because it's rare to get it. That response made me feel really insulted for the reasons I mentioned in the former paragraph.

Now I gotta say, with a cooler head my reaction on my original post may have been overblown. As someone at some point in the thread mentioned there's still a lot more to the game and this is just a part of it. But then when I try to do anything I find that I lost a lot of motivation to put the effort.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

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This is my exact sentiment. The i280 weapon doesn't affect me, but the rewards system as a whole does, and it is a cancer that is slowely killing the game IMO. Honestly, any 10 year old with half a brain could structure rewards better.

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Originally Posted by Xerek

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Except for the part where it doesn't? Having the 280 doesn't invalidate anything at all, and considering the devs admitting the relic being BiS was a mistake(which it wasn't even BiS for all classes at the end of ARR anyway, only some) and the fact relics have always been behind something else throughout the entirety of HW, it's only reasonable to assume that they'd never be BiS, just a relatively easy to get top tier weapon.

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Originally Posted by Elim

Some of the white knights need to read this post. The uncut version.

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For the sake of ...

Could we please ban the term "White Knight" (White Knight/hater/fanboi/toxic, etc ) from the forums?

Just because someone has a different opinion than you, doesn't make him/her automaticly a White Knight/hater/fanboi/toxic, etc . Since you think you're entilted to your opinion everyone else is also. So suck it up, stop trying to belittle other ppls opinion and accept that there are always different points of view. You don't have to agree because that's how really good discussion can start but I guess I hope for to much in this forums ...

Also ppl tend to forget that the forums just reflect the minority of the game. How many active subs may the game have? 500k? more? less? And how many ppl are activly using the forums? 1k? 2k?
As long as the active subs are higher than the usual "doom and damnation" after a patch, we will just get minor changes to calm down the "doom and damnation".
Don't get me wrong I appreaciate ppl that are trying to change things in the game but on the other hand more ppl should think about "It's not what you say, but how you say it.". Maybe than threads like this would remain calm and without bashing other opinions.

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Originally Posted by Tremara

Just because someone has a different opinion than you, doesn't make him/her automaticly a White Knight.

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In every other instance I would agree with you, but I honestly haven't seen ANY post that tells me why i280 in diadem is a positive step. At best the "white knights" don't care about the change because SB is coming soon (not that soon though, I should add), at worst they are actively tearing down complaints because they don't like complaints regardless of how valid they are. These aren't white knights by definition, but it is something just as bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwq24tsXGeI

https://j.gifs.com/X6lkJo.gif

That's how to hadle the ilvl 280 problem.

/thumpsup

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

In every other instance I would agree with you, but I honestly haven't seen ANY post that tells me why i280 in diadem is a positive step. At best the "white knights" don't care about the change because SB is coming soon (not that soon though, I should add), at worst they are actively tearing down complaints because they don't like complaints regardless of how valid they are. These aren't white knights by definition, but it is something just as bad.

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You want to know why I'm not bothered by these i280 weapons? More options to get top tier gear. They wouldn't have been worth the chance if they were any lower. Now we actually have 4 ways to get a top tier weapon instead of just 3: Scrips, Relic, Raid, and now Diadem weapons are also top tier. More options to get top tier gear is only a bad thing for those that want to whine about the fact anyone else can have a top weapon.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

You want to know why I'm not bothered by these i280 weapons? More options to get top tier gear.

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Which is invalidated by it being a lottery system, the chances of you getting one is low enough that it is not even an option in that regard. Honestly its existance and purpose baffles me (it doesn't because it is just a carrot on a stick for diadem, but if thats the only thought that has gone into it, the dev team seriously needs to review their design philosophy)

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Now we actually have 4 ways to get a top tier weapon instead of just 3: Scrips, Relic, Raid, and now Diadem weapons are also top tier

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Actually you had two (Relic and Raid), tomestones have always been a stepping-stone when it comes to gear progression, you get your top tier i270 scripture weapons while progressing through raid, and you use it to beat the raid which gives you a higher tier i275 weapon (and then Anima is its own path alongside). Diadem would be an alternative endgame (which I have dubbed Grind/Skill/RNG) if it had been i275, instead it is better than the other two for no real reason, and has just caused confusion and anger because of it.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

...Then I have absolutely no interest in playing your game. Was a fun trip, but I think all good things come to an end.

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