"This is my playstyle" is a poor argument for being bad.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

It's clear that those who "play bad" are really only providing a service to the FFXIV community by giving folks the opportunity to come on the forums and complain over, and over, and over about players that aren't as good as their own godly capabilities.

Chill pills for everyone!

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Why don't you go actually read what people are saying rather than making a lazy attempt to be witty?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Why don't you go actually read what people are saying rather than making a lazy attempt to be witty?

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I have read most of this thread. The thing is, if you don't like the way people play and they're not open to advice, then you can: Stick it out and finish the dungeon; leave and try again with another random group in 30 minutes. Unfortunately, a third option seems to be: Come on the forum and make yet another post about "bad players".

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

I have read most of this thread. The thing is, if you don't like the way people play and they're not open to advice, then you can: Stick it out and finish the dungeon; leave and try again with another random group in 30 minutes. Unfortunately, a third option seems to be: Come on the forum and make yet another post about "bad players".

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You forget the most rational option: Kick the player.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

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I think you missed the point if you were taking any of that post as an actual encounter. The whole spark of this thread is that people do not care anymore about the difference and want said players to leave. Have i seen this thread before? Yes. Have i seen it used to excuse jerk behavior before? Yes. I may have even seen this myself during my time with the game. But options to have the commity police itself on skilled party play throughout the game are not going to be attractive or facilitate new players. All people can do is offer the help when and if they can. And if they don't play to your standards? Don't return the favor, that's not something to be proud of.

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Originally Posted by Elazu

You forget the most rational option: Kick the player.

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"Kicking you is part of my playstyle" *sunglasses on*

I wonder if the people justifying the not caring attitudes are doing so because they're guilty of not caring.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

I wonder if the people justifying the not caring attitudes are doing so because they're guilty of not caring.

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Been accused, but not guilty.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

I wonder if the people justifying the not caring attitudes are doing so because they're guilty of not caring.

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Well people like AsahinaMyLove clearly are guilty of not caring.
Many others probably are as well.
Some are probably not, and are just fearmongering because they think the community will also jump on players who are mediocre, and not just totally terrible.

Ask the community to be competent at the class they choose to play and learn the basics and people lose their minds.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Perhaps one day we can require our new players to know alex savage before installing the game. Until then, we'll have to settle for...diversity. /sarcasm

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I have never stepped into Alex savage (no static, but will start looking for one soon) and I am hardly close to what would be considered hardcore. Had an ex roulette the other day with a bard will full eso gear.. He barely lost any tp and was below my fairy healing aggro. Another run, a DRG in eso/Alex savage that did less than my i160 drg.. No dots or ogcds used, he just did full thrust combos. I don't like the attitude of "well this is easy and not worth my time so I don't even need to attempt my basic rotation."

On weekdays, I have limited time to play with my friend in the evening. Slow runs will put me to sleep, then that's the end of my gaming for the night.. So yeah, if it's a case of someone who should know better that just doesn't want to bother, I get annoyed.