This patch dropped the ball hard

TBH I'm just surprised they added a higher ilevel before people could even finish their Alexander sets. But I'm not against it, it gives me something to work towards plus it will keep me busy for a while. Alexander spam is a good way to build up esoterics and I'm sure the new 24m raid will drop ilevel 200 pieces, esoterics, and stuff to upgrade the esoteric gear.

I agree with you Eloah. Just wish other people would see it that way.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

The point I'm trying to make is, don't punish the casual players. Should we have access to gear comparible to the raid gear that Hardcore players can get, yes. Should it take us longer to get these items, maybe. But don't link the two.

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You'll be able to get gear comparable to raid gear later when they either add enough echo that casual players can clear the content, or when they add Esoteric gear upgrade items to hunts or the 24-man raids, just like it's always been.

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Originally Posted by Daerthalus

I agree, I would have prefered a system more like this:

Law: 170
Boosted Law: 180 // Hunts
Ex-Primal: 190
Alex: 190
Esoteric: 190
Boosted Eso: 200 // Via Weekly Quest / Hunts
S-Alex: 200-210

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Well... then people would complain about not being able to get the highest ilvl gear without doing Savage...

Esoteric gear is better than Alex normal gear, yes... but unless you really don't care about your stats at all, you still want to prioritize getting the Esoteric gear that complements your Alex normal gear the best way possible. So if Alex normal chest is good, but legs bad, you get Esoteric legs first etc.

It will take you a long time replacing all that Alex normal gear for esoteric gear, and you need to have both if you want to do Alex Savage.

Oh so us burning our butts off for eso is not putting in work. Bah I don't agree with that. Yah you guys put in little more work then we do I agree to that but just little. Does that mean because you guys put in that little more work that you guys should get exclusive treatment heck no.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

Alexander gear is not obsolete your not going to be able to get full tome gear for a long while so the gear will still be relevant for a while still especially if you have more then 1 job and Alexander normal is so easy anyways so it shouldn't be better.

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Not really if you base it on actually time played verse what you can actually get in a week. I would say 2.XX it would take 3 hours to cap 450, you know make that 4 hours stretching it. You'll need 3510 to get the 5 major (head, body, gloves, legs, waist) items or 20 actually hours of work. A:N raid is hard to quantify due to the looting system. You my get two lenses in 2 runs or it may take 20 runs using the same DF you farm tomes with. It's really depends on the looting.

Now if you want to break that down by weeks. It'll take 8 weeks for those 5 eso items and 6 weeks? for A:N. So nearly the same time frame. Plus tome cap normally goes away after next 3 month patch. Maybe people are forgetting A:N has a weekly cap too.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

The point I'm trying to make is, don't punish the casual players. Should we have access to gear comparible to the raid gear that Hardcore players can get, yes. Should it take us longer to get these items, maybe. But don't link the two. It's like you are forcing casuals to do the hardcore content. SE has already been adjusting the Crafter/Gatherer gear issues, and they should do the same for the regular content too.

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You mean like 3 months after the new raid gets added that they open upgrade items through accesible content like hunts and 24 person raid? Brilliant idea! Why didn't SE think of that!

XD

The OP says he's "Forced" to do Alex savage to upgrade his esoteric gear.

Tell me, if you don't want to do alex savage, then why do you care about upgrading that gear? Something people never understand in MMOs, if you aren't doing the hard content, you don't NEED good gear.

You can do literally everything else in this game EASILY with just full law. >_>

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

Actually, it takes 11 weeks.




I'm guessing you weren't around for much of 2.0? This is the exact same progression as last equipment: Darklight >> LotA (Crystal tower) >> Myth >> Coil

Here it's: Law >> Alex >> Esoterics >> A.Savage

Except they allow an upgrade path for Law for A) slightly better stats, and B) dyeing.

And no, you're wrong. It makes perfect sense to charge a lot of Law for the upgrades. Their intended upgrade was hunt seals, but some people *****ed and moaned for whatever reason (I call it laziness and/or ignorance). So they acquiesced to the the whiners and gave them a way to upgrade without seals... but since it's not what they intended, they made it cost a lot. That's completely reasonable.

As for your analogy, it's invalid. In a restaurant, your order is objective, not subjective. If you order a hamburger, you're ordering a hamburger. The situation with Law upgrades is not objective. There is no "wrong order"... you just don't like the method they chose. That's subjective. Despite your personal feelings, you get what you want (your hamburger, I mean Law upgrades), regardless of how it's accomplished.

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First, I was a in PS3 Beta, but didn't buy the game till January 2014. I am aware of how the tomestones have worked.

Second.....that is actually part of the problem: we've been grinding tomestones of various colors/names for two years now. Enough is enough with this system. There is only so long people are going to do the exact same thing before they just say screw it and un sub, for good. How folks can't see that is beyond me. Boggles the mind, that.

Third, at no point have I said I have an issue with grinding in an MMO; comes with the genre. This is fine. My issue, specifically is that the prices of upgrade items with Law tomes is double the cost of the actual gear, whereas the Centurio Seals prices were not altered in any way. It is still faster and easier to upgrade Law gear via Hunts, then the newly implanted Law purchases. Why then, did they bother to do this? And....who in there right mind is going to burn that many Law tomes when it's horribly in-effiecient to do so?

That is my issue.


GET RID OF THE 1K LIMIT SE! IT'S STUPID!

/breathes

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Not really if you base it on actually time played verse what you can actually get in a week. I would say 2.XX it would take 3 hours to cap 450, you know make that 4 hours stretching it. You'll need 3510 to get the 5 major (head, body, gloves, legs, waist) items or 24 actually hours of work. A:N raid is hard to quantify due to the looting system. You my get two lenses in 2 runs or it may take 20 runs using the same DF you farm tomes with. It's really depends on the looting.

Now if you want to break that down by weeks. It'll take 8 weeks for those 5 eso items and 6 weeks? for A:N. So nearly the same time frame. Plus tome cap normally goes away after next 3 month patch. Maybe people are forgetting A:N has a weekly cap too.

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What are you talking about? Who cares about only getting main pieces... It takes 14 weeks (!!!) to get full Esoteric gear. That's 14 weeks of Alex Normal gear making a difference.

The weapon is the best upgrade to get, so for most players, it's 3 weeks now without a single Esoteric piece, making the Alex Normal gear very much relevant.

The new 24 man raid is probably out before you get all those pieces, but it's still months of Alex normal gear being relevant.

Also, the tome cap never goes away after just 3 months... not until there's a new tome in 6 months or so