The number of bad players are rising!

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Originally Posted by Doo

That's only if you play on the same server and if they don't curse you out for giving them advice first.

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Well there are a thing called diplomacy. I'm not talking about the "I'm right, I'm bigger, do as I tell you" diplomacy used by the dominant superpower. Some people called it hypocrisy but they are piss poor people that never managed to reach their goal :p

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Originally Posted by Doo

That's only if you play on the same server and if they don't curse you out for giving them advice first.

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I've yet to be cursed out for helping or offering advice typically from my experience if I'm in a group 4 man or 8 man if someone makes a mistake or dies there natural inclination is to apologize profusely as if to spare themselves from the full wraith of the group. Thats the sad part about some of the people in this game its like walking on egg shells patience goes a long way in making people better at the game not insults or put downs.

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Originally Posted by XNihili

Hopefully if you teach bad players, they might become a good players that will in turn teach to others bad players, thus reducing your "workload" on the long term.

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In my experience though, it's not even about that. It's just that there are SO many that "need" the hand holding. And the people who don't aren't enough to compensate, so it's expected near all the time.

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Originally Posted by Emtron

I've yet to be cursed out for helping or offering advice typically from my experience if I'm in a group 4 man or 8 man if someone makes a mistake or dies there natural inclination is to apologize profusely as if to spare themselves from the full wraith of the group. Thats the sad part about some of the people in this game its like walking on egg shells patience goes a long way in making people better at the game not insults or put downs.

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I've seen it many times, and i've seen it not happen either. But the fact is it does happen. Having patience doesn't mean anything when the person doesn't care HOW you say it, just trying to tell them to play any way other than how they do already is grounds for insults.

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Originally Posted by Emtron

Thats the sad part about some of the people in this game its like walking on egg shells patience goes a long way in making people better at the game not insults or put downs.

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This reminds me of what happened playing with another df sch in T4 last night. All he/she did was hit Physick every 5 seconds nothing else through like phase 5, mt dies, we wipe. Think he/she only used Adlo once and that was on herself. Seriously, how do players make it that far into the game without knowing how to play their roles more? Shouldn't be something you have to teach it's like basics.

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Originally Posted by CSX

I used to have this problem. I would think to myself, "man. . .what the heck. . ." then I looked at the DF settings and noticed the "E" was checked/highlighted. I unchecked it, never ran into bad players ever again.

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Or you could do that too I've yet to run across a crappy person when I unchecked that underlined E in DF In fact I played like that for awhile made my experience much more enjoyable at the time.

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Originally Posted by Emtron

Or you could do that too I've yet to run across a crappy person when I unchecked that underlined E in DF In fact I played like that for awhile made my experience much more enjoyable at the time.

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Actually, I tend to uncheck D and F, not that German and French people are bad by nature or anything, just before the data center changes I always got mouthy people from a particular EU server.

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Originally Posted by ispano

I've seen it many times, and i've seen it not happen either. But the fact is it does happen. Having patience doesn't mean anything when the person doesn't care HOW you say it, just trying to tell them to play any way other than how they do already is grounds for insults.

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I've seen it too when someone says hey guys its my first time usually if its a tank or healer people tense up but from my experience when we explained to them the dungion/boss's fights and didn't ream them when they made a mistake they would seemingly over perform because wait for it they were in a non hostile environment. Saying things such as GJ *insert player name here* after the new player successfully does his job in a new instance goes a long way. But tomato tamato I'll just agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Emtron

I've seen it too when someone says hey guys its my first time usually if its a tank or healer people tense up but from my experience when we explained to them the dungion/boss's fights and didn't ream them when they made a mistake they would seemingly over perform because wait for it they were in a non hostile environment. Saying things such as GJ *insert player name here* after the new player successfully does his job in a new instance goes a long way. But tomato tamato I'll just agree to disagree.

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Except in my experience that doesn't happen as oiften. Making the environment non-hostile, doesn't change their views. It's still you trying to tell them how to play. Is it always that way? Of course not, but I've seen it more than not.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Why is it that good players are always expected to teach bad players?

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The solution to bad players or bad strategy is provide assistance or guidance. This is a game with team objectives and goals. If you do not help to guide the team or stop the problems that are obvious then you have failed the team as well.

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Originally Posted by AngelusOfEorzea

The solution to bad players or bad strategy is provide assistance or guidance. This is a game with team objectives and goals. If you do not help to guide the team or stop the problems that are obvious then you have failed the team as well.

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So we must forever be relegated to teach and in many cases hand holding.. over and over and over? This is why most of these people DON'T DF, are in a static, or have strict PF rules. It gets tiresome after a while.