Ff14 A realm unfinished

Lots of whine on this thread and no real commitment or ideas to solve the seen problem.

What I have seen so far personally are these points.


1) Content is running out, and there should be more content than just end game content, not all of us wish to grind dungeons endlessly for tokens, this is silly and and I want nothing to do with a job outside my job. Thank you very much.
2)End game is just the basic hamster wheel, there must be more variety to progression and character advancement, I am not asking for an easier faster way to get tokens, just different ways to acquire the gear to run the end game. I can safely say that I am not the only one tired of doing endless WP/AK and CM for tomes.
3) Crafting is pretty much useless for end game, this must be fixed ASAP.
4)RMT has not been fixed, I have not (and I am not exaggerating on this) have seen another P2P game with so much RMT advertising as this one, it is not OK and it should not be tolerated at this point, enough time has passed for a countermeasure to be put in place.

I do enjoy ff14 and despite its flaws I can find no lack of reason to keep on playing, but the issues must not be lessened by our love for the game au contraire we should bang our fists and make remarks at every turn regarding these issues.

Well, I miss normal quest in end game...

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Originally Posted by Sidious

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It's "tomestones". Let me get this right you have another game that has more content that you enjoy playing, yet you come here to complain about this game. That is weak sauce!

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Originally Posted by whycantiusebetaforumname

If we are talking about launch endgame content zilart didnt even come out till damn near a year after its release and what us Americans got was not vanilla ffxi

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And you're also talking about an MMO that was released over 10 years ago. We got FFXI in the US when Zilart was released, so to the US that was the offical release for us. And even that had NM's to hunt. Old FFXI was good times, i miss it. :(

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Originally Posted by mmcsky

Lots of whine on this thread and no real commitment or ideas to solve the seen problem.

3) Crafting is pretty much useless for end game, this must be fixed ASAP.

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Oh no, it is not. I promise. We use food for every attempt in coils and some use potions. Also many are having vanya, etc. crafted.

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

And you're also talking about an MMO that was released over 10 years ago. We got FFXI in the US when Zilart was released, so to the US that was the offical release for us. And even that had NM's to hunt. Old FFXI was good times, i miss it. :(

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Umm... Sorry, but logic doesn't work that way. You can't say that FFXI had more endgame content at launch because the US launched with Zilart. Endgame for "vanilla" FFXI was most likely camping Serket (if he was even in the game at launch).

People are also conveniently ignoring how FFXI's endgame content REALLY was like even after Sky and Dynamis were added to the game. This was FFXI's endgame content for years:

- 2 dynamis runs per week
- Camping kings if they were in your time zone.
- Doing Sky and getting bottlenecked on Ullikummi.

Note how:
- Dynamis forced you to wait 72 hours before being able to enter again;
- how Kings were not always available to do
- how doing Kings more often than not meant standing around for hours with only having something to do for 30 seconds every 30 minutes.
- there was also a very big chance that you didn't even get to fight Kings even if they were in your time zone due to being outclaimed (unless your linkshell botted, then I guess you got to do them regularly).
- how camping Ullikummi was simply horrible (though you could farm the other triggers semi-reliably at least).
- even camping NMs usually meant standing around not doing anything.

This is what some people in this thread are calling a lot of endgame content. EDIT: The truth is that FFXI didn't have a lot of endgame content, what it had was a lot of drawn out content that you had to wait a long time before being able to repeat.

ARR could actually replicate this by imposing lockouts on the current endgame dungeons. They could also transform Ifrit, Garuda and Titan into kings if they wanted to (make it like the sandworm in FFXI). But do people really want this? You complain about DF timers while clamoring for content where you stand around doing nothing?

I haven't reached endgame content in ARR yet, but I can see that we obviously need more things to do. What I have a hard time with is with people saying that there's nothing to do in the game (because they ignore content) while reminiscing on the good ol' days of FFXI's endgame (I was there, it took a very long time for FFXI's endgame to get good, where you actually had stuff to do every day instead of being stuck in the Aery for hours staring at flies).

Just one final point that I feel the need to mention: I think its completely ridiculous that there's a guy in this thread saying that BC is useless because it doesn't have any story, while at the same time I've seen him clamoring for Sky, as if Sky had a story. Well, unless you call the one-liners that the gods gave story.

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Originally Posted by Sidious

WoW had far more relevant content on release, including leveling content. And PvP.

Deluded fantasies about what constitutes "content" aside, the fact is, at endgame, FFXIV has WP, AK, and coil. Vanilla had BRD, UBRS, LBRS, UD Strath, Living Strath, Scholomance, Molten Core, and Onyxia-- ALL on release.

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WoW did not have PvP when first release... It came like a year later. Reference.

People labeling others that dont agree with them a white knight do it because they have no logical reason to explain why they think or feel the way they do. The easiest way to get out of explaining yourself or backing up your claim with a source is to throw the attention back on the person who doesn't agree with your argument.

Anyone calling anyone a white knight in my eyes is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Sidious

WoW had far more relevant content on release, including leveling content. And PvP.

Deluded fantasies about what constitutes "content" aside, the fact is, at endgame, FFXIV has WP, AK, and coil. Vanilla had BRD, UBRS, LBRS, UD Strath, Living Strath, Scholomance, Molten Core, and Onyxia-- ALL on release.

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Your history is a little foggy.

BRD and LBRS were never considered "endgame". I'd compare them more to Darkhold and Aurum Vale, respectively.

Other than that, there was UBRS, Stratholme (just the undead one), and Scholomance. MC and Onyxia were added with the first major patch. The only PvP was open-world PvP. And I for one am glad this game doesn't have that.

I agree with the OP...There is not alot to do unless you want to sit and craft or gather all day...that is not my idea of fun....I want to play content and not "side games"...becasue that is really what crafting is...a side game. All I have to do right now is grind AK/WP for Phil/Myth to gear for Titan...then after beating him i will get to grind some more for Relic weapon and then grind some more for Relic +1...then only Coils remain and yeah...that is not a lot of content IMO. I did not rush...averaged about 2 hours a day and some days much more....but not rushing at all. Not everyone wants to level all classes to 50 so that is not fun to us...we like the JOB we picked.

Let's be completely honest here...SE screwed up because Crystal Tower was SUPPOSE to be in this content set. This was suppose to be the area to get Ilv 80 gear to gear for Coils from until we got Ilv90 stuff. Everyone is starting out playing Coils at a disadvantaged right now unless the pre-grind and gear with AF2 before going in...that is why it is so hard...everyone is way undergeared. We are missing content so please do not give SE a pass on this...they are the reason for this type of crappy end game right now....oh and by the way Turn 5 is broken...right...so that cannot even be done to get your Allagan weapons...
The grinding was put in to slow everyone down plain and simple and to make it feel like there was more content than there really is just because it takes a hell of alot of time to gear in Full DL unless you have no job and no family.
Rant over...I still love this game but please don't say there is tons of content becuase there is not.