The Monk Temple

Hey, I have a question. I'm main monk and I know the job near perfectly, except for what I'm going to ask : I've seen many posts in this thread reporting that SS is the worst stat for a monk to stack because of the TP starvation on fights like Titan EX/Twintania/Rafflesia and because it is the stat that gives the less DPS increase overall.
I'm sitting at 356 SS ATM, the less I can have and I always have been fine with it. However I see a lot of people (on reddit, on this link : http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...peed_question/ ) saying that SS is what benefits the most to monks. Is it true ?

PS : Sorry for my english, it's not my native language.

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Originally Posted by Livaille

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Compared to other classes MONK definately scales with SS comparatively well, but even with the pretty good scaling our stat weights value SS about the same as CRIT. The problem with SS compared to Crit as you said is that TP starvation can be an issue in some fights (T8 in particular), since CRIT and SS are valued approximately the same for Monks any situation where TP becomes an issue the value of SS decreases. In fights where you don't SS/CRIT value is the same so the theoritical BiS is any set that can maximise your DET.

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Originally Posted by Livaille

Hey, I have a question. I'm main monk and I know the job near perfectly, except for what I'm going to ask : I've seen many posts in this thread reporting that SS is the worst stat for a monk to stack because of the TP starvation on fights like Titan EX/Twintania/Rafflesia and because it is the stat that gives the less DPS increase overall.
I'm sitting at 356 SS ATM, the less I can have and I always have been fine with it. However I see a lot of people (on reddit, on this link : http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...peed_question/ ) saying that SS is what benefits the most to monks. Is it true ?

PS : Sorry for my english, it's not my native language.

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SS is the best stat for any dps (yes even DRG) but thing is,you DONT have infinite TP so it's way too risky and it need too much SS to be fully efficient.SO yeah it's a greeat stat in theory.Only in Theory.

For T6, 475 was enough for flank/rear attacks. For T7, i missed a few times, but then im not sure if the add turned to face me at the time of impact. Whats the ACC requirements for a MNK in T7, 8 and 9 for Flank and rear?

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Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero

For T6, 475 was enough for flank/rear attacks.

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I'm just saying but I've been missing on the rear/flank with 486 accuracy .

Well i check the stats reported and my ACC was 100% and i never had to press the same skill twice to forward my rotation during T6. t7 as i said i did so not sure.

Hello, I just tried Turn 5 and I missed during the dive bombs phase. I did not miss otherwise though. I have 461 accuracy and it is consistent with what I've read about needed accuracy fort Turn 5 : 458 accuracy from the dragon thread. People on my FC told me go up to 478 accuracy or so. I assume this is the cap for front. Should I go up to 478 for this fight?

Also during this phase, I feel like mostly not dpsing (for the phases before, I think I was doing well). We tried by killing all the 4 small snakes all together with a dps LB. Is it right to do it like this ? I have also read a strat where you kill them one by one in order to refresh the debuff on Asclepios. Is it a better strat for melee? We were 2 melees. Do you have any particular tips for this phase? For example, is it that important to avoid the damage debuff from the snakes? Couldn't I have take some?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Lewena

Hello, I just tried Turn 5 and I missed during the dive bombs phase. I did not miss otherwise though. I have 461 accuracy and it is consistent with what I've read about needed accuracy fort Turn 5 : 458 accuracy from the dragon thread. People on my FC told me go up to 478 accuracy or so. I assume this is the cap for front. Should I go up to 478 for this fight?

Also during this phase, I feel like mostly not dpsing (for the phases before, I think I was doing well). We tried by killing all the 4 small snakes all together with a dps LB. Is it right to do it like this ? I have also read a strat where you kill them one by one in order to refresh the debuff on Asclepios. Is it a better strat for melee? We were 2 melees. Do you have any particular tips for this phase? For example, is it that important to avoid the damage debuff from the snakes? Couldn't I have take some?

Thanks.

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Gear for 458 ACC (461 is fine). You can't force Twintania to come back any faster so missing here or there against the snakes isn't really a DPS loss in the grand scheme of the fight, so it's better to get more sub-stats for higher damage the rest of the fight. At this stage, those snakes should die way before Twin's flying back in.

Either way with the snakes works. The groups I've run with always prefer bombing them with LB2 all together, with the main snake tank positioning the main snake a little away from the 4 snakes. This positioning lets the main tank take no stacks, and the healers can DPS to speed up the kill, or chill to save MP.

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Originally Posted by T1M0N

SS is the best stat for any dps (yes even DRG) but thing is,you DONT have infinite TP so it's way too risky and it need too much SS to be fully efficient.SO yeah it's a greeat stat in theory.Only in Theory.

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Mathematically, SPEED is the best 2ndary stat for all dps except BRD and SMN. DET might be better in some cases but DET is hard to calculate since I have not found a reliable source that shows how much damage it adds point per point. Have not calculate ACC but despite what people think, missing 1 attack out of 1000 may not be that significant at all, unless you're tank, and especially for MNK who's combo do not reset on a miss.

I don't really agree that stacking SPEED makes you TP starve significantly faster. In situations where you're TP starved, you're gonna be TP starved no matter what, stacking SPEED will only get you there a bit faster. If SPEED does make you TP starve significantly faster, it must be giving you so many extra attacks that the damage it adds must be significant; however, the fact is that 2ndary stats don't add a whole lot.

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

PB > Demolish > Blood for Blood > Snap Punch > Internal Release > Snap Punch > Howling Fist > Dragon Kick > Steel Peak > Snap Punch (PB wears off at this point) > Dragon Kick > Twin Snakes > Touch of Death > Demolish > Bootshine > True Strike > Snap Punch > Dragon Kick... etc.

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Um am i crazy or the only one who has noticed this...

Dragon kick doesn't seem to apply the debuff when used with perfect balance. Perfect balanced enabled snap punches n stuff don't put you in opo-opo stance.