Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

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Originally Posted by MalakRevan

Yeah because they're too busy nerfing dps sustain lmao.
https://i.imgur.com/ThBCZ4a.png

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That was a buff. The cure potency became a DoT for 9 seconds so it's effectively a 600 potency heal. Also, 10% damage reduction for 9 seconds.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It is because the needs of the entire team need to be considered and not just the desires of one or two people

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This is why Party Finders exist, you set expectations that everyone would be in agreement to not waste everyone's time.
Duty roulettes (except mentor roulette?) are there to fill bodies needed to clear content. Almost everyone there just wants their daily exp/tome/gil grind and want to be done with it.
You want to teach new players? that's fine, just don't expect that the others would have the same objective as you.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

If someone is new, they most likely need the practice to learn how to not die on the mechanics.

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Learning how not to die to the mechanics can be done by making a learning PF. (There's also an option to go in with NPCs)
Heck almost every mechanic in Valigarmanda is used and reused alot with some even used during solo duties.
Four Arrows converging on one player? stack, Big red glowy circle on tank? tank buster, serpentine boss doing a weird circling thing? inside safe spot.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

[]If there are a lot of wipes and the tank doesn't want to help instruct or be there supporting them figuring it out (which they're not required to do) then they can take a penalty and let the party get in a tank who will be what the party need

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If there are a lot of wipes, why not just [Vote Abandon] instead of having someone who queued for dailies leave and get a penalty.
If you are really inclined to help newbies, you'd reach out after the duty has been abandoned and teach them with a premade party that has the same goal.

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Originally Posted by Plumerian_Ariadust

This is why Party Finders exist, you set expectations that everyone would be in agreement to not waste everyone's time.
Duty roulettes (except mentor roulette?) are there to fill bodies needed to clear content. Almost everyone there just wants their daily exp/tome/gil grind and want to be done with it.
You want to teach new players? that's fine, just don't expect that the others would have the same objective as you.


Learning how not to die to the mechanics can be done by making a learning PF. (There's also an option to go in with NPCs)
Heck almost every mechanic in Valigarmanda is used and reused alot with some even used during solo duties.
Four Arrows converging on one player? stack, Big red glowy circle on tank? tank buster, serpentine boss doing a weird circling thing? inside safe spot.


If there are a lot of wipes, why not just [Vote Abandon] instead of having someone who queued for dailies leave and get a penalty.
If you are really inclined to help newbies, you'd reach out after the duty has been abandoned and teach them with a premade party that has the same goal.

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Honey this is duty finder not savage

Nobody is going to join a learning party for vali normal

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Honey this is duty finder not savage

Nobody is going to join a learning party for vali normal

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Exactly, so why would you want the dreaded tank soloers to have to join your learning party for it through DF?

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Not saying I disagree, but at the core the measurable or objective goal is to clear the content. Generally speaking that is the end goal the one goal everyone that goes into content can expect as a baseline. Everything else you stated can vary from person-to-person. While you cannot imagine why someone would want to try and see how far they can go while their party is dead, clearly some people do like doing that. Just as some people would rather the tank just reset the fight. Yes, we share a community but people only need to considerate of others gameplay experience within the scope of the content and the rules. Clearly no rule was broken, so having said expectation is fair, but it is not a guaranteed. As you suggest people who wish to solo content, or do whatever should do it on their own time, the same could be said for those that do not wish to gamble on a tank wasting 20 min of their time. End of the day the whole join a premade or FC can also be said to those that are annoyed when other players don't take their experience or time into account.

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I guess the only option at this point is to DC and take a break. Somebody wants to watch you for 15mins, but it's not me.

The second DPS can't use Tanks as a mob shopping cart and the sustain is used not how they want.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Exactly, so why would you want the dreaded tank soloers to have to join your learning party for it through DF?

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Because wiping once or twice because you don’t know the fight doesn’t constitute a learning party

I’d love to see you pull this shtick in a savage learning party, everyone else dies to mechanics they don’t understand and just go “sorry guys guess I’m more talented than you you’ll have to wait till the encounter kills me”, you’d be out on your ass in 4 seconds flat

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Honey this is duty finder not savage

Nobody is going to join a learning party for vali normal

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Exactly my point. With Duty Finder you are bound to take what you get.
Don't complain when some people in the party don't consent to wiping and redoing the whole fight when they are just there to complete their dailies.
Yes, I get it's nice and feels good to teach first time players but there would be a point when some would just say screw it and to get it over with.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Because wiping once or twice because you don’t know the fight doesn’t constitute a learning party

I’d love to see you pull this shtick in a savage learning party, everyone else dies to mechanics they don’t understand and just go “sorry guys guess I’m more talented than you you’ll have to wait till the encounter kills me”, you’d be out on your ass in 4 seconds flat

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We're just talking about normals here. Where does this thing about savage coming from?

Circling back to OP. the screenshot provided is too blurry besides the LB3, party comp[WAR/DRK/RPR/VPR/MCH/SMN(?)/WHM/SCH(?)] and the timer to make anything clear besides something doesn't match up

1) Vali normal is only sixty minutes
2) Vali screenshot posted shows 41mins left
3) OP claims they sat there dead for 30mins

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Originally Posted by TojiSuzuhara

decided to just keep going and make us sit and watch and the encounter ended up taking almost 30 minutes.

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4) Vali was killed with 37 minutes left

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Originally Posted by TojiSuzuhara

ithis was right after adds phase where i believe the boss had around 50-60% left and the clock was at 37 min left when they finally killed it

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OP misrepresented and painted the two tanks in a bad light.

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Originally Posted by Plumerian_Ariadust

Exactly my point. With Duty Finder you are bound to take what you get.
Don't complain when some people in the party don't consent to wiping and redoing the whole fight when they are just there to complete their dailies.
Yes, I get it's nice and feels good to teach first time players but there would be a point when some would just say screw it and to get it over with.




We're just talking about normals here. Where does this thing about savage coming from?

Circling back to OP. the screenshot provided is too blurry besides the LB3, party comp[WAR/DRK/RPR/VPR/MCH/SMN(?)/WHM/SCH(?)] and the timer to make anything clear besides something doesn't match up

1) Vali normal is only sixty minutes
2) Vali screenshot posted shows 41mins left
3) OP claims they sat there dead for 30mins

4) Vali was killed with 37 minutes left


OP misrepresented and painted the two tanks in a bad light.

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This isn’t even about wanting to teach people. This is simply just the fact that it’s rude and shouldn’t be allowed for tanks to just ignore the rest of the party and solo the boss because they arbitrarily decide they don’t want to give others a chance when you are only surviving because you are a tank

The comment about savage wasn’t directed to you. It was simply “you shouldn’t be expected to treat normal content like savage in PF with learning parties just to avoid getting a tank who decides they want to solo the boss because they have 500% more EHP than anyone else

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Originally Posted by Plumerian_Ariadust

This is why Party Finders exist, you set expectations that everyone would be in agreement to not waste everyone's time.
Duty roulettes (except mentor roulette?) are there to fill bodies needed to clear content. Almost everyone there just wants their daily exp/tome/gil grind and want to be done with it.

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If your argument is people are just there to complete their dailies then why are you advocating for tanks to tack time onto the instance when the party could most likely reset and clear within a fraction of that time? 7 other people want to get their exp/tome/gil grind done but they're trapped because they can't leave in combat. Maybe the solution is letting people dead in combat just leave and then the tank can have their fun alone.