Punish MSQ Cutscene Skippers

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's not meant to be a suggestion. It's meant to be an absolute. Everyone is meant to be locked in the cutscene and unable to move until it finishes.

People are getting round it via a method that is beyond the game, thus beyond SE's inability to prevent, and exploiting its inability to resume the cutscene.

Locking the boss room sounds like a simple solution, but the fact they have not done so indicates that it probably isn't as simple to implement as it is to suggest.

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If it beyond SE to prevent then why should we? Because they said so? Because it is not the intent behind roulette? If those are the only things to prevent someone from not taking part in a aspect of something they find inconvenient, why do it? Sure I do not have to run MSQ but I also do not have to watch the cutscenes and twiddle my thumbs while other watch I could start the fight and if people follow that is their choice.

I am genuinely confused, but I get I have a selfish outlook.

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Originally Posted by Awha

If it beyond SE to prevent then why should we? Because they said so? Because it is not the intent behind roulette?

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Basically, yes. Because that's how you play a communal game in a way that shows consideration for other people and their feelings.

Some of us actually care about that and feel bad when we see that others are upset or being treated unfairly.

You've made it clear you do not care and are completely uninterested in being empathetic, so you are probably not going to understand.

Yes there's a human nature to be selfish, but there also a human nature to think "I want to help that person" and often it involves suppressing what you want in favour of what the other person needs.

In a lot of situations, that's hard.

Here, and even back when you could skip, it's easy. You literally help them by doing nothing, and go get yourself a cup of tea.

But people were selfish and wanted fast tomes so they left newbies in the dust.

So SE did their best to stop that, and now people are literally putting time and effort into skipping the cutscenes so they can leave newbies in the dust.

Instead of just letting the cutscenes play some of the time.

Also, however boring and repetitive the dungeon seems to us now, I remember how exciting it was the first time. And the second time when I eagerly went back in to see it again, and was fortunate enough to get in with a group of seven who were taking their friend through for the first time and ensuring they got to see everything.

It was an amazing experience for me at the time, and I want other players to have it too.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Basically, yes. Because that's how you play a communal game in a way that shows consideration for other people and their feelings.

Some of us actually care about that and feel bad when we see that others are upset or being treated unfairly.

You've made it clear you do not care and are completely uninterested in being empathetic, so you are probably not going to understand.

Yes there's a human nature to be selfish, but there also a human nature to think "I want to help that person" and often it involves suppressing what you want in favour of what the other person needs.

In a lot of situations, that's hard.

Here, and even back when you could skip, it's easy. You literally help them by doing nothing, and go get yourself a cup of tea.

But people were selfish and wanted fast tomes so they left newbies in the dust.

So SE did their best to stop that, and now people are literally putting time and effort into skipping the cutscenes so they can leave newbies in the dust.

Instead of just letting the cutscenes play some of the time.

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Tbh my views vastly differ, even when I help someone I consider myself being selfish since I am helping them because either it makes me feel good in that moment, or prevents me from potential having to help with larger problem or listen to them complain about said problem.

In the end I get that people are trying to be considerate of the feelings of others, even if I do not buy it. Though this player trying to police other players for how they wish to play seems odd to me. SE has given us tools see some skipping and group wants that person to stop. Have everyone stop let the person run off into the sunset die then vote to remove them. If the group is not willing to do that as a player or players that has the issue have a choice stay and suck it up, ask to be removed to avoid the timer, or leave yourself.

If SE for whatever reason be it inability, or lack of desire one should not expect people to blindly follow an written view of intent if no enforcement is put in place to prevent it. At that point players need to take control over their own experience, since clearly SE is unwilling.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Overall yes it is mememe, I mean I do not log onto FFXIV for others enjoyment. I will either try to remove them or leave myself. If the vote kick does not work I will just leave and try again later.

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The cutscenes are not the problem. You are the problem. There are so many others ways to level. You choose a main story dungeon that some others are needing to finish for their story.

You choose this. You accept it before you go into it. You try to force others to play your way or get kicked from their main story. All the while, if you were a better player, you'd realise there are better options for leveling.

I know you'll not change your mind. It doesn't mean you're right. It just means you're wrong and you won't back down from it. You do not belong in this game. You undeniably and without shame admit to wanting to ruin the story for a new player because you're struggling to level.

There's a clear solution to your problems. Learn to play or just quit. With the amount of times you also talk about quitting dungeons, I think you're on your way to the second option.

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You're not required to leap into the fight the second you're free to move.

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You're not required not to, either, what with 1) the fact they specifically instituted a "warp into the boss fight" mechanic for people who get locked out, and 2) how mind-bogglingly easy the fights in these dungeons are.

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Also, however boring and repetitive the dungeon seems to us now, I remember how exciting it was the first time. And the second time when I eagerly went back in to see it again, and was fortunate enough to get in with a group of seven who were taking their friend through for the first time and ensuring they got to see everything.

It was an amazing experience for me at the time, and I want other players to have it too.

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And they could still get it too, if they were made aware of the Party Finder and how it can be used to find party members with like-minded goals. I have specifically used it myself to help give some newer players a more "authentic" CM/Prae experience and find help that was actually willing to approach the dungeons at a relaxed pace (back before they introduced the forced cutscenes).

Instead, the game does a piss poor job of making the player aware of the PF's existence or usage, and just tells everyone to use the Duty Finder for everything, a land where "gotta go FAST" randos run rampant. What else did anyone think was gonna happen?

This entire problem is practically of SE's own design.

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

The cutscenes are not the problem. You are the problem. There are so many others ways to level. You choose a main story dungeon that some others are needing to finish for their story.

You choose this. You accept it before you go into it. You try to force others to play your way or get kicked from their main story. All the while, if you were a better player, you'd realise there are better options for leveling.

I know you'll not change your mind. It doesn't mean you're right. It just means you're wrong and you won't back down from it. You do not belong in this game. You undeniably and without shame admit to wanting to ruin the story for a new player because you're struggling to level.

There's a clear solution to your problems. Learn to play or just quit. With the amount of times you also talk about quitting dungeons, I think you're on your way to the second option.

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As mentioned before I only do it for the daily bonus, and nothing comes close to the exp one gains from the daily bonus per time spent if one gets a group were people are willing to skip cutscenes.

Also I really have no problems, it seems like you have a problem with me skipping cutscenes and starting the fights sooner then intended. Though far from going to quit cause like you said I have other options, if SE starts to hand out punishments I will move on to the next method. I mean personally I only do it for the daily bonus.

I say just let groups decide, vote kick is an awesome feature.

I get it you are upse with SE that is cool.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Instead, the game does a piss poor job of making the player aware of the PF's existence or usage, and just tells everyone to use the Duty Finder for everything, a land where "gotta go FAST" randos run rampant. What else did anyone think was gonna happen?

This entire problem is practically of SE's own design.

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I honestly never thought this hard on it. It makes sense, depending on what type of mmo background you come from- if any.

Legitimate PFs get drowned out by SELLING ULTIMA CLEAR DISCORD#999 but with a few minutes of waiting you can find others willing to help. Especially with Party Finder relays available.

It's an MMO, I wholly believe there should be more work in communicating and showing players their options. Because I've played games where there is no Duty Finder option and people progressed just fine. Cutscenes and all. It's still wholly optional, and like Active help windows, after the first, it can be gone. But there is a staggering amount of ignorance for PF usage even for vets.

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

The cutscenes are not the problem. You are the problem.

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To be fair, SE's single player game design is the problem. Just because one or two people want to watch a cutscene (and vise versa) that some how puts them above the rest of the party? Not everyone plays an mmo for a story, since mmo story is lackluster (xiv is no exception here) due to having to drag it out.

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You do not belong in this game

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You don't get to make that call. I'm not sure why in this community lore players get to make all the calls.

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You try to force others to play your way or get kicked from their main story.

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Isn't the entire reason cutscenes are forced and there's these walls in other dungeons to prevent big pulls because less skilled and/or lore players want to force others to play their way?

I've noticed this community is hilariously toxic, just in the other way. No, one is going to call me out if I preform bad or call me a slur. But they're going to tell me to quit, try to call me out and enforce their play style if people want to actually be decent or not care about the story at all.

In the end, skipping a cutscene doesn't hurt any one. If it does then skipping mobs really ruins the fight as well but I bet that won't stop any time soon.

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Originally Posted by MichiPichi

since mmo story is lackluster (xiv is no exception here) due to having to drag it out.

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Your post was good until this.

Check those Shadowbringers reviews again.

Not to dismiss the greatness that is Heavensward and Post 4.0 Stormblood, but it's the best.

ARR- ok. Even the staff recognizes this and states it was a low point, but it does not speak for the whole of XIV.