Why Does It Feel Like Poor Play Is Acceptable (I'm Venting.)

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Originally Posted by winsock

Now imagine the stickman on the left doesn't have a bad attitude, is 3 years old, and you are met with a page of scribbles because he doesn't quite understand what it means to play tic tac toe. I'm not saying that scribbles are acceptable in tic tac toe, but I'm going to tolerate it because he's 3 and really doesn't know any better

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How is that relevant to FFXIV when a 3 year old simply cannot play it by themselves? It would be too far beyond a 3 year old's comprehension to likely even get by the character creator let alone get to level 50+ on any job.

You're seriously reaching....like you are just floating in a nebula 5million light years away from planet Earth at this point.

Think the main issue is that people expect a certain level of baseline play that is not enforced by the developers in a random setting. The bar the developers set as the benchmark for baseline play is fairly low, and while many within the community may not agree with said reason, without voting with our wallet or time said benchmark probably will not change.

It is frustrating, but until the developers start to enforce better play either because the community dictates it ( which I do not think will ever happen since I am fairly certain we are in the vast minority )or the developers philosophy changes majority of the content will be based around the lowest common denominator, which will result in people that spam one button over getting pushed through content. Sadly if the developers do not care enough why should the players and I think that is why poor play seems more welcomed in FFXIV.

I am not trying to defend poor play, or players that feel it is okay to waste the time of others, but I simply have come to terms with the fact that at times if I roll the dice I will roll low a get a hellish group that has the healer and tank not eat the fruit in AV--which happened not that long ago.

One thing to consider with people using non-combo'd finishere, they might have used job potion and misread tooltip for skill. They might think it's best due to where it mentions combo potency and not knowing that number only applies when done finisher to combo.

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Originally Posted by winsock

Now imagine the stickman on the left doesn't have a bad attitude, is 3 years old, and you are met with a page of scribbles because he doesn't quite understand what it means to play tic tac toe. I'm not saying that scribbles are acceptable in tic tac toe, but I'm going to tolerate it because he's 3 and really doesn't know any better

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Im sorry, but someone who is unable to grasp the concept and the rules of the game might not be well suited for that part of it. As much as I love to be inclusive, if a 3 year old cant play tic tac toe because he lacks the ability to grasp the concept of the rules, then he gets a piece of paper, a pen, and can scribble for himself, all day long, and enjoy himself like this. And if he wants to scribble with me then yes, I can do that, but if I want to play tic tac toe, I will have to look for someone else to play that with.

And, just a small anecdote here, I often find myself with sproutling tanks in duty finder who have no clue how to tank. At all. And guess what I do? I give them tips on aggro management, explain skills and the game engine, and help them understand the game better. And yes, I know that FFXIV is a tad bit more complex than tic tac toe.

Why is it acceptable? Because what can you actually DO about it? Nothing besides accept it. There ya go.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

DISCLAIMER: ... I am venting ...

Why does it feel like a person playing the game poorly is considered acceptable behavior?

... examples ...

These wouldn't be issues if advice is taken, but so often, I'm either outright ignored when I try to help, or backlashed back for daring to try...

I don't want to be going with people that perform very poorly and refuse to take advice...

I just needed to get this off my chest..

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The question you are asking is the wrong question. The question I feel you should be asking is "Why does it feel so wrong when players I encounter in content refuse to accept the advice so freely given?"

The answer is ... well, there really isn't a good answer.

The responses here have, once again, devolved into some of the typical 'black knight' vs 'white knight' arguments that entirely miss the point of the post ... the need to write about that feeling.

I hear people talk a lot about the difficulty and gating of Shinryu but I managed to clear it first time without any wipes, so I guess I never saw it myself. I actually haven't gone back to it at all either. Steps of faith however I did have to wait for the nerf to actually clear it. The difference between these two is that Steps of Faith required good group coordination in order to do mechanics and activate the cannons properly, where Shinryu only requires that you follow AOE mechanics and the one button time event. It has been a while though so I might not be remember Shinryu correctly but I do remember in detail my problem with Steps of Faith were trying to keep everyone healed over a vast arena and people tended to scatter so far that there was no way to be in range of all of them at the same time. And AOE healing was out of the question then obviously since some might be in range but not everyone. I guess the point of this post is that Steps of Faith required actual group effort while Shinryu is just a boss fight heavy with AOE mechanics.

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Originally Posted by kidalutz

1. Boss FATES you know those things nobody does that teaches cooperation and getting out of the bad.
2. And where are they pray tell to get the gear they need? Oh wait yeah the dungeon they're in to replace that bad gear with.

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Quests give you gear, especially your job and msq quests. Additionally, as people seem to forget, we have npc vendors.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Why is it acceptable? Because what can you actually DO about it? Nothing besides accept it. There ya go.

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No. No you don't. That's such a defeatist mindset it's terrible.

Don't mind me, I'm just reminiscing about the dozens upon dozens of noob GLDs I had to gently drill sergeant through Brayflox's Longstop in my long-ago quest to obtain the full Infantry and Battlemage sets.