Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Did you actually explain when and why he needs to eat a fruit, or did you just kicked him because he was doing it wrong?

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the tank explain it to him, i help a bit i guess. basically if you got debuff (should be pretty obvious which one), eat the fruit when you have 2 stack of it. he said ok...

the first boss the guy somewhat allright?, at least he eat the fruit when he got the debuff, even only 1 stack. but the final boss, he just eat all the fruit non stop, debuff or not. like... the moment the fight start he just start clicking all the fruit until its all gone then he dps a little bit then start eat the fruit again. by this point everyone including the other quiet dps start complaining.

but he keep insisting the debuff still there. got wiped twice and the tank (leader) decide to vote him out, new dps come, and everything went smooth.

what strike me strange is aside from the fruit mechanic, the guy play well, like really well (combo + ogcd + long cd skill, he use it all), i examine him and his gear is i280 more or less

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Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

They said that at least 2 mentors told them to STOP dps'in! It would be their job to heal - to keep the tank and party topped, to be exact.

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I Don't care that they are mentors, but I always hate it when someone tells a healer not to DPS. As a healer, we have a lot of downtime when things are going correctly. If I have to heal it's because the boss is doing unavoidable damage/auto-attacking, or the party is taking hits they shouldn't be taking.

Probably one of the worst things you can do is tell the healer not to contribute.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

I Don't care that they are mentors, but I always hate it when someone tells a healer not to DPS. As a healer, we have a lot of downtime when things are going correctly. If I have to heal it's because the boss is doing unavoidable damage/auto-attacking, or the party is taking hits they shouldn't be taking.

Probably one of the worst things you can do is tell the healer not to contribute.

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Always figure its about a nice balance, because Ive encountered healers who like to be DPS, letting me drop down to 20 and 10% hp ranges in regular dungeons. Dont get me wrong, Ive no problem with healers DPSing, but I shouldnt be on the verge of death through out the entire encounter and needing to use every single cooldown + some kiting to stay alive as a tank.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

I Don't care that they are mentors, but I always hate it when someone tells a healer not to DPS. As a healer, we have a lot of downtime when things are going correctly. If I have to heal it's because the boss is doing unavoidable damage/auto-attacking, or the party is taking hits they shouldn't be taking.

Probably one of the worst things you can do is tell the healer not to contribute.

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Same here. The only thing with mentor vs non-mentor is, that people may be more inclinded to listen to a mentor.

I've had people telling me to stop dpsing in my early days aswell but thankfully, this wasn't my first MMO so I ignored their "advice". From time to time, escpecially in MSQ trials, I meet co healers who won't dps. Using their dot every now and then at best and that's it. Escpecially when on WHM where raw healing is nuts and I don't even have to pay attention to pet/ support stuff like AST/ SCH lots of stuff is easily solo healable (depending on the amount of idiots ofc), so my co healer had very little to do.
But still...dot and that's it.
I remember a Leviathan run with a healer not dpsing at all and after everyone left we had a little chat. She was genuinly surprised to see me dpsing so much. Apparently people are not vocal enough when it comes to encouraging healers to dps while the people who think they shouldn't tend to speak up. She had been told in the early dungeons that she could dps by someone and did but later only got told that she should stop it.
Even if it leads to a few hiccups and oopsies here and there, I'd rather have that as a tank/ dps and take that 1min longer run because of a wipe than pushing healers into the "heal only" role. Not even a wipe is a good reason to tell a healer to stop dpsing.
They just a little time to learn how to balance dps and healing but they can't do that if they get told to stop dpsing altogether when something went wrong. I don't tell dps to stop dpsing and focus on dodging just because they ate stuff and died from it...

On a side note: I LOVE your char name :D

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Always figure its about a nice balance, because Ive encountered healers who like to be DPS, letting me drop down to 20 and 10% hp ranges in regular dungeons. Dont get me wrong, Ive no problem with healers DPSing, but I shouldnt be on the verge of death through out the entire encounter and needing to use every single cooldown + some kiting to stay alive as a tank.

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I might have been one of those healers.
I tend to let tanks drop quite a bit, escpecially with Bene or ED up. Or if I see Tetra etc. is up in a few sec. That has been the cause for a few close calls admittedly but unless I accidentally Bene'd myself, nobody died from it.
CDs should be used anyway but if the tank didn't, I heal according to damage patterns. A tank that doesn't use all of his cds will simply drop to 20% and lower faster, so I'll heal in shorter intervalls.

I'm a new resident to Mateus/ *Waves*

I decided to run a few trial DRs on the side to get a taste of how the data centre skill is. Also I wanted to dust some rust off my White Mage play since it's been a bit since I played it in an 8 man scenario.

Data centre is very friendly, I got a lot of hello's from people when I hello'd at the opening of the instance when barrier is still waiting to drop. Much better than Aether when I was on it.

Eventually, I get dropped into Suzaku (Hard) in Prog. Based on the chat when I zoned in, someone left on the first wipe after one minute. I'd imagine raid got wiped due to reviving adds after feather drop.

On the pull, we clear the add section out no problem and do DDR section with not too much problem.

I start head bobbing to awesome Suzaku music.

Somewhere during simon says phase, Suzaku uses Phantom Flurry and kicks four people off the arena.

Oh.

*Waits for next set of simon says to resolve then moves into safe spot and uses healer LB3 to pick everyone up*

My spouse, also head bobbing to the music, looks over from their computer and goes "Wait, you had to LB3?"

Me: "Yep"

Spouse: "... okay" *Resumes head bobbing and playing Granblue Fantasy*

'tis the life of a White Mage main, lol.

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Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

How can mentors actually tell sprouts to 'not try'? That's like telling a child 'forget about climbing, you might fail at it'!
Mentors should encourage new players to try things, explain the game, sharing your experience - so they might learn from it.
This was heartbreaking for me to hear that from a sprout who was showing so much potential. They seemed very talented, it would have been a waste if they kept from trying. (And just because some mentors told them to.)

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I've heard the same thing, when I tell healers to dps - and I tell them not suggest it (they sit there and do nothing until I need a heal). I think it comes from tanks who just want to be topped off the entire time, makes them feel better about themselves.

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Originally Posted by Fenefab

I keep meeting white mages who have no clue about overhealing and who in the beginning of the dungeon cast medica 2 immediately after protect and then proceed to wonder why they're getting aggro at every single pull. I just had a whm who kept medica 2'ing our party constantly when everyone was at full health and got aggro of every single mob.

I also meet a lot of bards who for some reason spam warden's paean on themselves on cooldown as if it's supposed to be a part of bard rotation. Idk if this is from some badly written guide or something because it's really common for some reason? Also bards who use Peloton because they think it works like refresh/tactician... please read your tooltips

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Ah. Well. It goes like this: wait for aggro lead then Regen, Medica 2, Regen bubble = No heals until boosted, thin air Holy Spam is done. I never cast before a pull though. Mama didn't raise no fool (until she started playing this). XD

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Originally Posted by griffinborn

This made me cry. I'm a healer main so I rarely have experience with other healers in dungeons. I'm no god or anything, but this still makes me fear doing any other role.

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I feel for most people it's highly recommended you at least try all three roles in some kind of way. It makes you highly appreciate people who do their jobs well by comparison in a matchmaking setting. Not everyone is going to ascend to ex/savage/ultimate level brains in a lvl 70 dungeon rou but you can see people putting their A-game sometimes into content like this to improve themselves the same way they may look at their fellow party members. It's just a nice feeling when everyone's on their best.

I used to be a pure dps main but I picked up tanking after a friend crafted armor for me as a GLD and it's never been the same. Made me love my MT's all the more so when they bust out the aoe damage in dps stance while still holding hate. I love that stuff so much since it's everyone going nuts.

Doing more roulettes with my alt to get tomestones and I get Wanderer's palace. I was a paladin with a scholar, dragoon, and black mage.

dragoon doesn't aoe at all. I know the line aoe isn't as fun as ring of thorns when we had it, but please just aoe. I'm doing large pulls because black mage, at least help.

Black mage aoe rotation was okay, just lacking thunder. Their single target rotation was...fire 3 (x3) and blizzard 3 (x2). That was it. Not even transpose. Has something changed since ARR for level 50 black mage rotation?

Scholar just makes sure I'm topped off by spamming physic.

By the end, I just wanted out, and surprisingly we didn't wipe to the last boss. I know I can exit through the duty menu, but I just made my way instead for the shiny exit while heavied. The male au ra run looked even more ridiculous. So the dungeon went fine. No one said a word, not even the two mentors.

Good story time: Running Shisui last night to hit 65 on my WHM. After running it a few times I've gotten fairly comfortable healing it, and getting some decent DPS in. Had a DRK tank that literally must have had the absolute perfect cooldown rotation ever.

Right before the last boss I had to pause and say "I don't know if i like healing DRK's anymore, I feel useless. But on the other hand I can DPS for days"

Right after that thought, I jumped into Bardam's and was one the edge of my seat nervous the entire last boss fight because there sure is some party wide damage that goes out there. That ones going to take a few runs to feel comfortable in.