VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Quick search on twitter and I haven't seen those tweets around... but given the immensity of the FF14 community I doubt they'd have any relevance.

I do agree with this tweet though.

https://i.imgur.com/5iHmgI6.png

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Why do people think it's only two? They've been showing 2 and adding like 6 (or more like last patch) since they started adding them for us.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Why do people think it's only two? They've been showing 2 and adding like 6 (or more like last patch) since they started adding them for us.

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I'll believe that when I see more than two new ones on the Hrothgar tab then.

It might be the case for Viera, if so great. But for Hrothgar the updates have been rather piddly.

Either way, the sentiment there is that these updates are short and staggered across the expansion. It took one week for an amateur modder to make every headgear available for us since Endwalker's release. Not to mention the work done to port hairstyles over.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

More like "without being under schedule or supervisors or working on other priorities and doing whatever the hell they want".

Can we stop overselling how special modders are doing work anyone can easily do? The passion isnt that special.

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No. Because the problem isn't "passion". If anything you're the one overselling it by calling it that.

The problem is effort. The problem is time. And the problem is not allocating resources to stuff that's already been proven to take quite little time to do, instead of squashing a Hrothgar's skull into a Peanut.

Also, your modding phobia needs to chill for a minute. Because at no point did anyone say that modders were the best thing in the universe and that SE should work at their pace. What was said is that they at least prove it's doable without hurdles. Something Square has since lied about.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Quick search on twitter and I haven't seen those tweets around... but given the immensity of the FF14 community I doubt they'd have any relevance.

I do agree with this tweet though.

https://i.imgur.com/5iHmgI6.png

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More like "without being under schedule or supervisors or working on other priorities and doing whatever the hell they want".

Can we stop overselling how special modders are doing work anyone can easily do? The passion isnt that special.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Why do people think it's only two? They've been showing 2 and adding like 6 (or more like last patch) since they started adding them for us.

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Probably because they only show 2 models at a time which makes it easier to think that they added only those 2 rather than a whole arrangement, I think it would make it easier for the players to see just how many are added if they were to include a list of the hairstyles added for the patch. I don't think it would take that long either and it would make the people stop thinking they make 2 per patch instead of 6.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Why do people think it's only two? They've been showing 2 and adding like 6 (or more like last patch) since they started adding them for us.

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Because people like to be extra sarcastic and pejorative when it comes to this subject. I find it very unhelpful because being accurate and sticking to the facts is always the best way to communicate your feelings. It's understandable - I know folks had to wait a really long time. I was one of them, but the updates have actually added up incredibly fast and they will add up just as fast now that Hroths are getting them too. It's been 6 (or more) since 6.0 every patch and just as importantly the problem of Viera/Hroths not getting brand new hairstyles has also been rectified, so we'll never have another experience of a new style being added to the game and it not functioning on two of the races. Viera had 8 hairstyles added in 6.2 including the Island Sanctuary hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I'll believe that when I see more than two new ones on the Hrothgar tab then.

It might be the case for Viera, if so great. But for Hrothgar the updates have been rather piddly.

Either way, the sentiment there is that these updates are short and staggered across the expansion. It took one week for an amateur modder to make every headgear available for us since Endwalker's release. Not to mention the work done to port hairstyles over.

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To paraphrase, we really have no reason to believe it will be any more than the two. The last patch added 6, but that is only one sample, which a trend it does not make.

The good 'ol classic Ostrich Syndrome. If it's not there, it must not exist.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Blue

To paraphrase, we really have no reason to believe it will be any more than the two. The last patch added 6, but that is only one sample, which a trend it does not make.

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Both Viera patches also added 6 though, and Square Enix delivers everything on a strict schedule. For this game, a tiny sample usually does mean a trend.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Both Viera patches also added 6 though, and Square Enix delivers everything on a strict schedule. For this game, a tiny sample usually does mean a trend.

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I did only want to paraphrase but here goes...

By the logic of including multiple patches on Viera's behalf, there is nothing stopping us from including all patches beginning from 5.0 onward. Now, my math may be off, but for now I'll say that includes something like 14 patches.

Now with that sample size, it leaves us with a trend of about 0.43 new styles for Hrothgar.

Assuming nothing has changed since the Devs went on record saying that adding new styles would take a very long time; guessing that we're only getting 2 is quite generous.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Absolute meme hours today; there are more than a handful of comments on the Hroth/Viera hair update complaining about how catgirls, hyurs, etc. haven't had enough hairstyle focus and they're putting too much time into buns and lionmen. Worse - they're begging for Viera exclusive locked hair and have been for a while. Frigging excuse me? We had to wait 3 years to use new Modern Aesthetics or even default hairstyles, yet apparently it's now the bulk of the playerbase (that has access to absolutely everything) wanting Viera hairstyles? Like yeah, I agree Viera has some racial exclusives that are a hell of a lot better than entire list of catgirl exclusives. I wouldn't even care if they shared the full list among all races one day, but this complaint just ain't it. Amusing though, I'll give it that.

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Nah screw that. Each race has exclusives and then some. We are just catching up with the then some. Racial hair should stay racial hair, I won’t be here asking for au ra exclusive hair by on my Viera, all I want are the hairs EVERYONE already has.