Bring Back Kaiten

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

I'll never understand why players are beating this drum so hard. I raided two tiers on SAM in Shadowbringers and have been playing it again in EXs/normal raids/Aglaia and not having kaiten is a giant nothing burger. I don't feel a real difference because there's another button to press instead of it. Kaiten was just busy work before every iaijutsu. I didn't miss it.

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For me the true problem of removing Kaiten is because SE remove something people enjoyed on the job and dont give anything in the place.
Shinten spam is not fun, if the skill have a cool animation or something that really make sense to use the action a lot of times, people will not complain that much.

Shinten is just a boring Ogcd with a bad animation that dont fit the other SAM actions.

When's Kaiten coming back?

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Originally Posted by Mithron

When's Kaiten coming back?

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Soon as someone makes a 3rd party mod that gives SAM's a Kaiten button to push before Iaijutsu and Ogi, if the recent LL is anything to go by.

what, did they address ignoring the months worth of feedback in the last live letter?

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Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn

what, did they address ignoring the months worth of feedback in the last live letter?

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No, but they're adding in some buff timer functionality on the party list because people were using a mod to do the same thing. I figure if we can get useful UI elements added into the game via modding, why not Kaiten?

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

This solution really overcomplicates a very obvious solution to maintain a niche that is an very excessively rare problem currently? when you decide to not hold your OGCD's. Need to not hit something? just don't cast your AoE it's that simple, which is very rare situation. It just sounds like two 2min discount Kaiten cooldown activations for Kyuten and Shinten. But, we can agree to disagree.

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It's only overcomplicating things if you refuse to think. I see it might be complicated to program ikishoten to give the Ogi Trigger and change Shinten to Senei and Kyuten to Guren but seriously what would you lose? don't you already line up Ikishoten with Senei or Guren? by combining Shoha1+2 and Senei with Guren that are the only skills we're working towards to and we already have that DPS Job that works towards a single type of attack, which is the Dragoon, seriously look at Geirskogul isn't this what you want for the Samurai? guess what makes the Samurai different from Dragoon: The Single Target Alternative! I refure to desperately bargain the Job Identity for the precious Kaiten, do not get me wrong though! I want Kaiten back aswell but not for the Price of the Samurai's Identity because of a Vocal Minority's Ignorance

I can see how in 7.0 ppl will complain about the Single Target Ogi and I will be fine with the Single Target Ogi since it will serve the Fantasy of the Samurai

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Originally Posted by Yeastyloins

So if I'm understanding this right, you're advocating for button bloat on the off chance the Dev's will design a fight that exclusively only gives SAM an advantage over every other job both on a mechanical and DPS level?

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You are wrong and don't lay words in my Mouth! I want the Old Way of utilizing Kenki back, I want be to able to breath into my Attacks again! Kaiten perfectly did this. I claim that the Kaiten Removal was a Bureaucratic Decision, Look at it that way: Kaiten, boosts the next attack and has the least Kenki cost, boost the attacks that benefit the most of Kaiten and delete Kaiten, that might've been the entire thought process of the Kaiten Removal. If I'm advocating for something then it's that the devs should stop homogenizing DPS! Fights get continuesly dumped down anyway, we had an Ultimate Fight in ARR, the problem was that it appeared in the MSQ, now it's a Solo Instance.. It's just a matter of Time what comes first to FFXIV either NFTs or Auto-Play (both I do not want to be added to FFXIV!)

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Originally Posted by Quor

No, but they're adding in some buff timer functionality on the party list because people were using a mod to do the same thing. I figure if we can get useful UI elements added into the game via modding, why not Kaiten?

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I have the feeling that we need a Samurai Cosplayer at the next Fanfest to perform Kaiten on Stage^^

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Originally Posted by AluneTempest

For me the true problem of removing Kaiten is because SE remove something people enjoyed on the job and dont give anything in the place.
Shinten spam is not fun, if the skill have a cool animation or something that really make sense to use the action a lot of times, people will not complain that much.

Shinten is just a boring Ogcd with a bad animation that dont fit the other SAM actions.

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Ehh Shinten is like Iron, Iron is good for the body but too much Iron is bad. I'd say Shinten has it's place but Shinten alone is just sad

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

I'll never understand why players are beating this drum so hard. I raided two tiers on SAM in Shadowbringers and have been playing it again in EXs/normal raids/Aglaia and not having kaiten is a giant nothing burger. I don't feel a real difference because there's another button to press instead of it. Kaiten was just busy work before every iaijutsu. I didn't miss it.

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The thing with Kaiten is that it changed how you interacted with Kenki, back before 6.1 you used Kenki to boost your Weaponskills, now you just use it for Shinten, which feels really empty

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Originally Posted by RyuuZero

I have the feeling that we need a Samurai Cosplayer at the next Fanfest to perform Kaiten on Stage^^

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That'd be the job right there. Maybe we can crowd-fund one of those high-quality foam builds of the new circular Tenka so the cosplayer can Fart of a Thousand Cuts while on-stage and maybe get that changed back too.