Are some jobs 'too feminine' in aesthetics?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Compromise: YoRHa assault armor.

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You know, I am legit surprised that set didn't appear in any of the Nier 24 mans. It's better that alot of what we got. Like thot'd protect gear.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

In the end, it seems like the devs take a very lazy approach when it comes to healers. Both balancing wise and gear design wise. They barely alter glams from the female version to the male version and in many cases you can tell the gear was designed purely with a female in mind.

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So there's nothing wrong with masculine outfits that were designed for a male in mind that are ported over to female characters without much change?

If we're talking about fantasy mages, they almost universally wear robes across all types of media from books, film, television, and video games. That's just the trope we have to deal with and it probably has its beginnings, like all things fantasy, with Lord of the Rings. Knights in fantasy wear armor, mages wear robes. Sage doesn't wear a robe though, but I'm not sure if that was brought up in this whole conversation because it doesn't fit the narrative that the OP and others are trying to push that everything is feminine and the female version of Sage AF looks like it was based on the male version with no change.

As far as whether healer outfits are specifically feminine, it may look like that to a modern eye, but garments similar to what we would now call "robes" were a common clothing choice for both men and women throughout all of history. Medieval noblemen wore robes and tights much more colorful and extravagant than anything we have accessible in the game, so FFXIV is actually toned down from history. Real men's clothing from back then, especially for nobles, was covered in flowers and frills and decorative trimming. Lace was first invented as trimming on the robes for Catholic priests and spread in popularity among normal well-to-do men as collar decorations and cravats even after European men started to dress in duller colors.

And that's just Europe. Men in the Middle-East and Asia continued wearing brighter colors and fanciful designs as well as robes for much longer than Western Europe and in Japan, kimonos were still the normal wear into the early 20th century until Westernization increased. Even nowadays all Saudi men wear robes and a man wearing a kimono in Japan wouldn't be as odd as a man walking around in a robe and hose in Europe.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Probably doesn’t help that the main dev plays a female but :p that’s besides the point. It seems there’s always more feminine gear to go around and with the healers it’s even more prominent. Hopefully the next expansion fixes this issue but considering how detached the devs seem from their playerbase who knows.

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Yoshi-P plays a lalafell. Almost nothing looks good on a lalafell to begin with and he permanently wears the same Minfilia one-piece outfit all the time so I highly doubt that Yoshi-P's character influences internal opinions on clothing in this game.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Almost nothing looks good on a lalafell

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Yoshi-P plays a lalafell. Almost nothing looks good on a lalafell to begin with and he permanently wears the same Minfilia one-piece outfit all the time so I highly doubt that Yoshi-P's character influences internal opinions on clothing in this game.

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That's just his promotional character for Live Letters. I believe a recent interview stated that his actual character is a female Au Ra. Perhaps someone can find it and link it for confirmation.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

My impression is that D&D definitely set the tone for clothing choices for video games.

Only True Clerics may wear chain mail and plate armor. They'll bash things with maces and hammers rather than kill things via spells.

True Clerics are Tanks that [sometimes] Heal, and show up in games like, hmmmm, Rift.

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3.5e would have a word with you, in particular with Domain spells. While they could fall back on blunt weapons, they were by far inferior to their spells.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

If we're talking about fantasy mages, they almost universally wear robes across all types of media from books, film, television, and video games. That's just the trope we have to deal with and it probably has its beginnings, like all things fantasy, with Lord of the Rings.

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Fun fact: Gandalf the Grey was inspired by Odin's guise as a wanderer. He would wear a simple robe as a disguise, along with a wide-brimmed hat to shadow his face and hide his distinctive missing eye, and use his magic spear Gungnir as a walking staff. So the classic "wizard hat and robe" look came from Norse mythology.

So who wants to go tell the god of wisdom and magic and king of the Viking pantheon that his robes aren't manly enough?

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

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I played lalafell all throughout 1.0 and a patch of ARR and I couldn't do it anymore because of the clothing. You're a stronger person than I am.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

That's just his promotional character for Live Letters. I believe a recent interview stated that his actual character is a female Au Ra. Perhaps someone can find it and link it for confirmation.

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He makes random appearances on the servers as copies of the lalafell character and has mentioned before in interviews that he prefers to play lalafell and played a gnome in WoW. I tried searching for information on an au ra character but only found one buried comment where someone said that they heard from someone else that he plays as an au ra.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Spellcasting works best when you can feel the breeze between your legs... >.>

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Wait... so that's the reason for the so called ice-mages out there

Personally I think some races, as well as genders suit certain jobs better but I like that. Its part of the fun for me when making a character. I am the kind of player though who makes a fantasy character, rather than an avatar of myself in game so players who like to make a "mini me" in these games could feel very different I guess.

At least Sage is looking to be pretty masculine. Angles are inherently masculine, they fight with multiple phallic objects, and their AF is just handsome af.